Police working to a quota?? Surely not...

[terbang]

Watching the Television and Commisioner, commodore, superintendant, or whoever is facing the media questions and as predicted he denies any sort of quota system, playing with words etc. Drops a few ego stroking sentences for the pollies and bla bla bla, same old spin we allways get from these guys. What can we expect from an organisation that can basicly get away with anything it likes, including allegations of rape at a high level.. They eventually get thier pensions so and it makes no difference whether they do a good (real) job or just appease the pollies and pull the wool over our eyes. .
Reading the posts here from our resident Rozzers I see defence of the current road policy and a reluctance to admit the system may be wrong. Is this because:
(1) They are stupid (I dont think so).
(2) They are wearing the blinkers of indoctrination (quite likely for some).
(3) Hanging in there for their pension and dont give a fuck or too scared to have their say and lose the pension..
(4) The current road piolicy on speed is 100% correct and we should all just shut up because we are all wrong..?

[Squeak the Rat]

Number 2 is likely for one or two but not most i reckon.....

While I agree with a lot you are saying, we gotta remember that we are basically attacking these guys jobs, so fair dues that they come back defensive at times. Some of the views on here are quite one sided, so their natural tendency is to argue the other side.

Having said that, I also think that some might change their views if they didn't live in the bottom of the south island, where things are a little more "relaxed".....

Personally I reckon it's good having the coppas on here, if for nothing else than to get a feeling for the cops point of view (know your enemy!). Most of them even seem like decent funny bastards. I don't think it was your intention but I'd like to not make it personal against them.....

And DO NOT MAKE ME DEFEND THE COPPAS EVER AGAIN! It felt strangely pleasing but now i feel sick and unclean......

[Indoo]

Saying its not a quota system is just a matter of symantics really. Traffic cops are judged performance wise on the amount of hours they deliver and the amount of tickets they give out in relation to those hours. They get the same 'credit' for giving out a ticket for a guy doing 111kmh on a deserted highway as they do for giving a ticket to an idiot doing 90kmhs down a residential street.

I dunno why people are suprised, it's what you get when you attempt to privatise everything and focus on business models and ideals. The day the LTSA and Guvmint were able to 'contract' Police and essentially force the traffic arm into business ideals and values was a sad one imo.

[SPman]

And now Transit NZ is in on the act, with its $233m "contribution" to the police for enhanced road safety!!!

[terbang]

I dunno why people are suprised, it's what you get when you attempt to privatise everything and focus on business models and ideals. The day the LTSA and Guvmint were able to 'contract' Police and essentially force the traffic arm into business ideals and values was a sad one imo.

Gotta agree with yer there I personally just budget a couple of fines per year into my motoring expenses just like any other tax or fee and thats it.

[Skytwr]

Like I thought i got your backs up.

The reason I get burglars etc while policing the roads is that like Drink drivers and Disqualified drivers they can not obey the road code and road rules and drive like complete dickheads. So they may as well drive around with a sign on them PICK ME. As i am on the road I listen to the other jobs around and are prepared to act when required. It is more oftern than not that the Police are given car details before offender details when jobs are given, this is because they DRIVE off. But I offer any body with the qualifications and the get up and go to Join up and then you to can be spat on, assaulted abused and have told to pissoff when you go to the 10th domestic of the shift.
And like every job there are the good staff and the bad staff and all you guys want to know is the bad ones so you can put the boot in to everyone. But hey I ride a motor bike and this my way of unwinding.

[madboy]

Lou and Scumdog, I agree. Of course the warnings didn't work. But the rigid enforcement isn't working either. People are too scared to crack 110 in case they spontaneously combust, and yet you still get accidents. What gives? Could it be that human beings are naturally pre-disposed to making mistakes? And since cars are driven by human beings, mistakes will happen!

Most of the speed enforcement I've seen has been in areas of urban motorway, or other areas where higher speeds are "less unsafe". I wonder how many "speed" related accidents are actually from the person exceeding the speed limit, or going too fast for the conditions? You dump the bike on the takas, were you exceeding 100k when you lost it? Probably not. Were you riding too fast for the conditions? Quite likely. You don't see anyone getting busted for dangerous driving or crossing yellows up there? No. You see the cops at the bottom with the laser gun pointed at Kaitoke where it's big and open and as Jim2 pointed out "180-240k sweepers".

Str8, did the roses arrive darling?

[ldnz]

Most of the speed enforcement I've seen has been in areas of urban motorway, or other areas where higher speeds are "less unsafe". I wonder how many "speed" related accidents are actually from the person exceeding the speed limit, or going too fast for the conditions? You dump the bike on the takas, were you exceeding 100k when you lost it? Probably not. Were you riding too fast for the conditions? Quite likely. You don't see anyone getting busted for dangerous driving or crossing yellows up there? No. You see the cops at the bottom with the laser gun pointed at Kaitoke where it's big and open and as Jim2 pointed out "180-240k sweepers".

Excellent points - but be careful, I can see the speed limit on that road dropping....

Paikak hill - 70 km/h WTF? Then again im yet to see anyone enforce it, and good luck trying.

[Grahameeboy]

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But you never here anybody on this site saying "Thank you Officer Scumdog for warning me/giving me compliance" etc, maybe only disgruntled people have time/inclination to post?

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Agree, I am about to lose my licence for totting up...okay the Officer could have given me a warning (see my thread back in April) but that is life but I tell you what it has made me think....I now need to apply for limited licence for my Daughter...okay I live in Devonport, get ferry to work so not a major....however, it has made me think about my responsibilities and whether I should sell the bike....I am not a hoon, always at back of groups but bikes are a magnet for tickets and I am jeopodising my custody of Natalie.

So good does come out it.

[Da Bird]

Lou and Scumdog, I agree. Of course the warnings didn't work. But the rigid enforcement isn't working either. People are too scared to crack 110 in case they spontaneously combust, and yet you still get accidents. What gives?

Something is working. Last time I looked at the road toll stats (last week sometime), there were about 30 odd less deaths than the same time last year and last year was a relatively "good" year, compared to other years.

BC

[madboy]

Paikak hill - 70 km/h WTF? Then again im yet to see anyone enforce it, and good luck trying.

You don't spend much time up there then... I know of a couple of wgtn members who've met the fuzz up there, although one was only zinging so didn't get ticketed. The rigid enforcement might have dropped off though, the limit's been lowered for a while now.

GB, bikes are only magnets for tickets because of the way they are ridden.

[Dafe]

Just as well he was zinging and not zening or he'd have been fooked!

[madboy]

Something is working. Last time I looked at the road toll stats (last week sometime), there were about 30 odd less deaths than the same time last year and last year was a relatively "good" year, compared to other years.

BC

I'm sure the 200 or so that are already dead this year agree with you. How many of them were caused by people doing more than 11k over the limit?

[Da Bird]

I'm sure the 200 or so that are already dead this year agree with you. How many of them were caused by people doing more than 11k over the limit?

A fair few of them I would imagine... given that alcohol accounts for about 33% of fatal accidents and speed is now higher than that, moving into the number one spot for the biggest cause of fatal crashes.

[terbang]

Big ups to the police commisioner who has just been on TV telling us the truth about how it is. As suspected the quota system and cops competing is well alive and kicking..