Police working to a quota?? Surely not...

[GIXser]

A couple of points:
A lot of cops join HP because it takes a lot of pressure off them, compared to general duties it is seen as cruisier as you have less shift work, more flexible working hours/places, don't go on call, get decent gear etc etc (at least down here) - all for the same money as GD.

I give out a lot of warning AND almost half of my tickets are compliance ones - and nobody from above has ever complained about THAT, despite the fact it actually costs the Gov't money (cost of my time, cost of ticket, lack of revenue gathered etc.)

But you never here anybody on this site saying "Thank you Officer Scumdog for warning me/giving me compliance" etc, maybe only disgruntled people have time/inclination to post?

Observation: 'Nice' members of society do show pleasant surprise at getting a 'compliance' ticket, - low lifes expect/demand it for EVERYTHING and whinge like a KBer when they don't get it. "I'm going to the station to see your boss about this" - 'Go for it sunshine' is the usual response.

you stand corrected, i have read many threads where individuals have praised officers for "only giving them a warning"

[ldnz]

You don't spend much time up there then... I know of a couple of wgtn members who've met the fuzz up there, although one was only zinging so didn't get ticketed. The rigid enforcement might have dropped off though, the limit's been lowered for a while now.

GB, bikes are only magnets for tickets because of the way they are ridden.

No your right, I don't get down there enough. It must be bloody hard to patrol. How fast can the officer / radar react?

Just caught the news - hugely amusing but at the same time very disappointing. At least we got some degree of honesty though...

[WINJA]

A fair few of them I would imagine... given that alcohol accounts for about 33% of fatal accidents and speed is now higher than that, moving into the number one spot for the biggest cause of fatal crashes.

STATISTICS AND DAMN LIES , THE PIGS MANIPULATE REPORTS AND FIGURES AND THEN YOU PROUDLY SPOUT THEM OFF LIKE FACTS, ITS JUST A FCKEN MONEY GRAB SO STFU

[Da Bird]

SO STFU

No.

[spudchucka]

Uncle ALAN the STOREY teller will like that

No cigar I'm afraid, according to my spies any way.

[spudchucka]

I have friends who work in all the wrong and right places. If you want to bitch about all the speeding tickets, is the fucking LTNZ that you should be bitching about, they are after returns for the money that they put into land transport in various form, they are the ones that are pressuring the police from what I understand.

Not the police, they are just following orders from the LTNZ

You are so right!

Its the whole "business model" relating to funding and the need for a return on investment that creates the whole cycle.

[spudchucka]

This is bullshit. In over 36 years of motorcycling and driving I have lost count of the number of times I've been stopped. A few of these have resulted in traffic tickets some of which were deserved. Not once, of all those times, have I been accused of being a burglar.

Perhaps we should ask everyone on here how many times they have stopped, compared to how many times they have been arrested for burglary.

Why not ask some of the cops on this forum, (who repeatedly offer honest evaluations of current policing issues), how often, in their experience, a simple traffic stop turns into something much bigger instead of just dismissing it as bullshit? I've locked up heaps of burglars and drug dealers as a result of a basic traffic stop and having a nose for sniffing dodgy buggers. Pretty much ever cop in the country would have a story to tell about a simple turnover that resulted in a really good lock up.

[WINJA]

Why not ask some of the cops on this forum, (who repeatedly offer honest evaluations of current policing issues), how often, in their experience, a simple traffic stop turns into something much bigger instead of just dismissing it as bullshit? I've locked up heaps of burglars and drug dealers as a result of a basic traffic stop and having a nose for sniffing dodgy buggers. Pretty much ever cop in the country would have a story to tell about a simple turnover that resulted in a really good lock up.

I HEARD IN SOME COUNTRYS THEY JUST CATCH CRIMS WITH GOOD POLICE WORK INSTEAD OF HARRASING EVERY ONE

[Jantar]

Why not ask some of the cops on this forum, (who repeatedly offer honest evaluations of current policing issues), how often, in their experience, a simple traffic stop turns into something much bigger instead of just dismissing it as bullshit? I've locked up heaps of burglars and drug dealers as a result of a basic traffic stop and having a nose for sniffing dodgy buggers. Pretty much ever cop in the country would have a story to tell about a simple turnover that resulted in a really good lock up.

Spud, I don't doubt for one moment that you and other cops have caught criminals through traffic stops. I would be very suprised if you hadn't. My beef is that a cop would use that as an excuse to justify stopping vehicles. It should be an additional benefit, not the primary reason.

[spudchucka]

Thats utter bollocks. I've heard that crap before in relation to drug pushers too and its just wank. To catch a burg of a drugie you would have to search their car, now on what piece of legislation can you do that while issuing a ION?? And don't come back with the search without warrant thing under the misuse of drugs act as its got to be a pretty big call to use that one.

If you arrested me for stolen property while issuing a ticket and I wasn't arrested I'd walk.

What a crock of bullshit

There are heaps of statutory powers of search, not just MODA and if I'm issuing an ION and I smell cannabis then you can expect to be searched too.

If I arrested you for stolen property and you weren't under arrest then I'd expect you would walk too but since I would have arrested you for stolen property I would have arrested you again for escaping custody if you decided to bugger off despite being under arrest. Copy??

Bottom line is he aint talking bullshit, traffic turnovers are basic part of good policing and it results in very good policing outcomes on a daily basis.

[Scouse]

Pretty much ever cop in the country would have a story to tell about a simple turnover that resulted in a really good lock up.

Only to be kicked in the guts by the sentancing Judge when he hands out a piss weak 20 hours community service or family group conferance sentance

[SPman]

A fair few of them I would imagine... given that alcohol accounts for about 33% of fatal accidents and speed is now higher than that, moving into the number one spot for the biggest cause of fatal crashes.

Speed, per se, isnt. It can be a large factor if everything turns to shit, but the actual cause of the series of events starting to unravel that leads to a biggy is usually something else. There are lots of drivers out there who are liabilities at 80k on the open road and they are causing major accidents. Yet they are still "safe"? Because they arent exceeding 100K.
The current policies are leaving drivers scared of speed, and, if you are scared of it, its going to bite you just as surely as if you are too blase about it. Some intelligent propoganda, like the 2 second rule adverts, with Brock, from a few years ago would be a start!

[igor]

There are heaps of statutory powers of search, not just MODA and if I'm issuing an ION and I smell cannabis then you can expect to be searched too.

me i like the "fish n chip act 2006" the best

[Quasievil]

Fatal road crashes are kinda like unemployment, its a fact of life ie we in New Zealand have about 3% unemployment that is basically because 3% of the population are unemployable for whatever reason, the road toll well its also a given you will always have (while humans drive cars etc) 600 odd road deaths. The police and other agencies over rate their abilities to think for a moment they can reduce the road toll to any level which will be acceptable to anyone, the only inititiave that will EVER work is the improvements in Vehicle safety , airbags etc. As well as this improvements in the actual roads, these are the areas where focus should be made, not ticketing, the large percentage of ticketing is pointless and can never offer any result for anything of substance.
The police often spout out stats which are aimed to impress, I think a large part of the reduction of road deaths can be contributed to the improvements on the car fleet we drive in and the roads we drive on.
Example.......... the soon to be completed road between Auckland and Hamilton will soon be completed (THANK FUCK) this WILL reduce the road toll, Im sure amongst the stats that will be spat out to us by the LTSA or police or what ever will praise increased road patrols and police presence which created the improvement thereby justifying the intimidation tactic they impose on the innocent motorist, when in actual fact it had nothing to do with it.
Food for thought? speaking of which where is me bloody ice cream and peaches

[spudchucka]

Y'know, the quota thing would have a lot more credibility if the quotas included other stuff. Like running red lights, failure to keep left, failure to indicate etc.

Is the quota (or target or whatever) only on speeding? I'm sure if I was a cop I could fill any quota in no time without a single speeding ticket.

The "quota" is nothing more than a way the cops measure performance of their staff. They expect their staff to delivery X amount of traffic enforcement hours, (contracted to the agencies that supply funding) and for each hour delivered they expect that the cop will detect at least one offence for each hour they deliver.

Its not just speed, they also allocate hours for drink driving, restraints and general driver behaviour.

If you want to be rid of "the quota" then you will have to change the way the police are funded and change the way the police measure the performance of their staff, (for traffic enforcement at least).