Police working to a quota?? Surely not...

[Finn]

(1) You'll be disappointed to know it is about 20 years since I contibuted to said 'tax'

(2)And how do the roads in Sweden compare to ours?
And how tough is their licencing system?
And how much has their population and car numbers increased in the last 15 years?.

Ya got to compare apples with apples ya know.

1) I don't blame the cops (just Spudchucker) it's the Government that has created this revenue exercise.

2) My point exactly. The roads in Sweden are much better, the drivers have brains and they don't drive the same distance per annum that we do. So... instead of spending $90 billion a year on Social Welfare and wasting money on other hair brained ideas, why don't we put some of this money into roading & education if they are so concerned about 500 deaths. Meanwhile 1000's of people are being murdered by our healthcare system and you don't see doctors & nurses getting fined.

[Indoo]

Fact: the police are having very little effect on the road toll. Targetting speeding is not working and has never worked in any other country.

Where exactly do you get that 'fact' from?

I'm certainly not saying this is the right way, but by reducing average speeds logic would dicate that crashes become more avoidable and the outcome of those crashes becomes far more survivable. If you look at the figures they bear that out. How many fatal crashes would we have if the speed limit was lowered to 50kmh on the open road and anyone exceeding it by 1kmh was instantly arrested (aside from the amount of people that would do runners).

The argument is whether or not that is the best way to do things, a blind enforcement regime that judges everyone by the lowest denominator and targets quantity not quality of enforcement. Or removing the LTSA/Gov/Acc influence that has created all these business models of performance measures and accountability for contracted hours. That actually encourages traffic cops and speed cameras to police, not where the speed is dangerous but ironcially where it is safer as they will be more likely to meet said targets.

[Finn]

You can't use Scandanavian countries to compare NZ. It's usually done because of the social welfare systems that these countries have in effect, but our isn't anywhere near as good anymore. All the Scandanavian countries have industries that make our GDP per capita look very ugly indeed.

I've posted the figures before, but NZ has more sealed roads than any Scandinavian country per head of capita, and they are often much better roads. The Swedish rally invasion came about because Sweden used to have an extensive network of gravel roads as main highways, let alone secondary roads.

Norway has a very impressive rail infrastructure, and giant ferries that steam up and down the North Sea Coast and across the Baltic year round. Lou has already mentioned Italy's speed limit. It used to be 120 - they raised it to 130 and the accident rate went down, but as Lou said the policing of the more exuberent driving was more strictly enforced. Norway are not a country of drivers or riders. It is odd to find an enthusiast from that country, where Sweden is the opposite. Norway has a system of graduated speed limits that my wife found quite maddening when she was there, mostly because the open road speed limit is 80km/hr. Around the fjords this makes sense as the roads are terrible. Makes motorways a pain.

Huh? Are you reading a 1964 Readers Digest? You have to go a LONG way up north to hit gravel roads. In fact I can only remember once being on a gravel road up north of Sweden and that was someones driveway. They've also got proper winters and ice to contend with too.

The leftest regime is crumbling in Sweden. Like most cancers, Socialism has it's day. Big business is moving off shore or selling. Their education system & health systems are failing badly. Their social & racial problems are huge because they opened the flood gates to dead beats. I'm sure this all sounds familiar.

[James Deuce]

Huh? Are you reading a 1964 Readers Digest? You have to go a LONG way up north to hit gravel roads. In fact I can only remember once being on a gravel road up north of Sweden and that was someones driveway. They've also got proper winters and ice to contend with too.

I was talking from a historical perspective, you shiney domed, festering heap of effluvium.

Sometimes I like to think that other people don;t need to have EVERYTHING explained to them.

My mistake.

[spudchucka]

1) I don't blame the cops (just Spudchucker) it's the Government that has created this revenue exercise.

Cool, I've got another fan.

[spudchucka]

I was talking from a historical perspective, you shiney domed, festering heap of effluvium.

Its been a few years since I saw you come out with a classic like that.

[Quasievil]

I was talking from a historical perspective, you shiney domed, festering heap of effluvium.

Sometimes I like to think that other people don;t need to have EVERYTHING explained to them.

My mistake.

Bwaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Nice Jim2, but take it easy on us follockly challenged fellas mate

[James Deuce]

No worries, I reflect quite a bit of light myself.

[Finn]

My mistake.

Appology accepted.

[The_Dover]

Finn's not bald.

He's "aerodynamic" to make up for the power deficiency in his blade.

[Finn]

Cool, I've got another fan.

Yeah, in a Mark Chapman kinda way...

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[spudchucka]

You wouldn't be the first and you certainly won't be the last.

You gonna shoot me like Lennon or just complain like a bitch?

[Finn]

You wouldn't be the first and you certainly won't be the last.

You gonna shoot me like Lennon or just complain like a bitch?

I'm actually going to give you a job in Business Development based on your track record;

1) Work long hours for nothing
2) Consistently exceeding sales targets
3) Ability to collect revenue from customers that don't really want your product
4) Snappy dresser
5) You're resourceful when lacking adequate budget & management
6) Use of brute force - Accounts Receivable

We can work on your abuse of company vehicles.

[ldnz]

Haha brilliant Finn

[Lou Girardin]

The argument is whether or not that is the best way to do things, a blind enforcement regime that judges everyone by the lowest denominator and targets quantity not quality of enforcement. Or removing the LTSA/Gov/Acc influence that has created all these business models of performance measures and accountability for contracted hours. That actually encourages traffic cops and speed cameras to police, not where the speed is dangerous but ironcially where it is safer as they will be more likely to meet said targets.

This is a bit subversive for you. What happened? Have you had a bad performance review?
BTW. I agree.