Police working to a quota?? Surely not...

**Pixie** · 10th July 2006, 16:05

Originally Posted by Ixion

The problem (and it is a problem , whether the police are willing to admit it or not) is wider than just "wankers on this site " "pig bashing".....

All the civilians mentioned in this post are obviously wrong.
They don't know what it's like to be a policeman.

I bet if IBM or The Warehouse started to see general discussion of dissatisfaction with their organization and compaints of poor performance,they would rectify the reasons damn quick.

If the cops do "performance evaluations" of their traffic enforcement duties,Why don't they also do them for the satisfaction ratings the public give them (based on a true unbiased survey).
Perhaps only the former matters as it affects the police's LTNZ and ACC funding

**Pixie** · 10th July 2006, 16:12

Originally Posted by Dynamytus50

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I really would love for the public to see what it is like being a frontline GDB cop, some of you would probably be ashamed of things you had said but i imagine most of you would just be totally shocked.

We have a lot of law students come for a ride along with us from Auckland University before they graduate. Its pretty amazing the attitudes they have when they come in and how different they are when they leave.

I don't doubt that this is true,in the case of GDB policing.
However,if you took the public on ride-alongs with the HP,the cops would be embarrased,if they have any shame.

**Indoo** · 10th July 2006, 16:15

Originally Posted by terbang

You got it. I think there must be a fair bit of indoctrination blindness with a lot of cops because they will never listen to any sort of balanced debate and are incapable of admitting or accepting any imperfections within their own organisation.

I must have swallowed the red pill then.

**Pixie** · 10th July 2006, 16:29

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

Spare us the under-staffed rubbish indoo, they can find them when they want to.

They seem to be able to find them to police the monkeys in east timor

**The_Dover** · 10th July 2006, 16:51

And the Solomon Islands.

I wonder how many speeding tickets they give out over there?

**Patrick** · 10th July 2006, 16:52

Originally Posted by Ixion

they see coppers dishing out tickets for technical speeding offences.

We have , in this very thread, police officers telling us that burglary isn't important, doesn't matter. Yet if you were to question almost any member of the public - "There's a person burgling that house - THERE. And , over THERE, a man driving at 61kph. And one policeman. Who should the policeman deal with - the burglar or the speeder". The public's answer, I'll guarantee, would be "the burglar". Yet the police answer is "the speeder" .

At present the public see ever increasing funds disappearing into the police department, and no improvement in law and order.

Wrong on so many fronts... "technical speeding offences? Nothing "technical" about exceeding the posted speed limit by more than 11 plus kmph.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I didn't see any cops saying, in this thread or any other, ever, that burglary is unimportant. That is the view expressed by WINJAS and the like minded of his/her ilk.

You "guarantee" the speeder is the preferred choice over a burglar for a cop? Even the snakes won't ignore a burglar over a speeder. Put money on it and I'll gladly take your money from you, or you can just bank it directly into my account thanks. ANZ account # 01 2345 0678910 00. Make it a good bet though so I can afford a decent O.E

$$$ disappearing into the Police fund? Ticket $$$ goes to the Govt, not Police.....

**spudchucka** · 10th July 2006, 16:53

Originally Posted by Dynamytus50

I dont need respect, I know i do a good job and i stop a lot of people being victimised and i lock up a lot of bad people who hurt good people. Its a simple truth that will do me.

These morons are barely worth responding to. You do a great job that they would struggle to even comprehend. Screw them and keep up your good work.

**Lou Girardin** · 10th July 2006, 16:54

Originally Posted by The_Dover

And the Solomon Islands.

I wonder how many speeding tickets they give out over there?

None, they shoot back.

**spudchucka** · 10th July 2006, 16:56

Originally Posted by Dynamytus50

Victoria? you know a bit but you dont know much do you.

We get our stats from the LTSA. Victoria does our promotional papers.

Or are you referring to Victoria as in Australia?

He's talking about Monash University in Victoria and the Vic police, who are a hell of a lot more regimented on traffic enforcement than we are. Its Lou's favourite thing to hate because our LTNZ are burried up the bum of Monash Uni.

**Finn** · 10th July 2006, 16:58

Originally Posted by The_Dover

And the Solomon Islands.

I wonder how many speeding tickets they give out over there?

Didn't you know that speeding is the leading cause of civil unrest in the Solomons?

**Dangerous Dane** · 10th July 2006, 17:07

Originally Posted by spudchucka

These morons are barely worth responding to. You do a great job that they would struggle to even comprehend. Screw them and keep up your good work.

If you guys are doing an honest good-cop job then I take my hat off to you.
On the other hand, If your akin one of the policemen who has assaulted, lied, baited, badmouthed and perverted justice against me then you should be able to see why the public has the negative perception of you that they do, and you probably wont be arguing your case here anyway.

Big ups to the good cops out there.

**spudchucka** · 10th July 2006, 17:14

Originally Posted by Ixion

We (the Residents Assn) have been trying for 5 years to get more general duties police out on the streets. Because our members repeately tell us that they do not feel safe (and are not safe). We have approached (by mail and in person) , the Minister, MPs the Police Commissioner, various Area Commanders, Broad when he was the chief turkey for Auckland, and I've lost track of who else.

Good on you for trying to get more cops, don't give up on it.

General Duties is the foundation stone of police work, (in my opinion). However the police also have a responsibility to police the roads, with good reason, (as far as I'm concerned). I support you 110% in your wishes to have more general duties cops working in your area. But that doesn't diminish the responsibility the police have to also police the roads.

The police have to allocate resources to road policing, they don't have a choice and that is very unlikely to change. We need more police, full stop. More general duties, more CIB, more traffic, more youth aid, more community cops............. etc.

Until the way the police are funded changes or the Govt just decides to cough up more in the budget for policing we will never have the resources we need to keep the majority of the public happy all of the time. All they do now is rob Peter to pay Paul in terms of resource allocation.

There is a major recruitment and retention problem developing, they are unlikely to achieve the 1000 new cops in three years that they want. The situation is most likely to get worse before it gets any better.

**Squeak the Rat** · 10th July 2006, 17:15

Originally Posted by spudchucka

These morons are barely worth responding to. You do a great job that they would struggle to even comprehend. Screw them and keep up your good work.

The post that DM50 was responding to was one of the most sensible posts I have read recently.

Take your own advice. And have a close look in the mirror before dishing out your insults .....

**Patrick** · 10th July 2006, 17:18

Originally Posted by Dangerous Dane

If you guys are doing an honest good-cop job then I take my hat off to you.
On the other hand, If your akin one of the policemen who has assaulted, lied, baited, badmouthed and perverted justice against me then you should be able to see why the public has the negative perception of you that they do, and you probably wont be arguing your case here anyway.

Big ups to the good cops out there.

Thats a big turnaround to what was said earlier....thanks by the way!

Why would the public have negative perceptions of Police over what happened to you???