Death Penalty...

**Skyryder** · 14th July 2006, 21:57

We may be on the same track Ix but I'm going the other way.

Compassion is what sets the working class apart from the bourgeois. When we forget that then we are no different.

Skyryder

**scumdog** · 14th July 2006, 23:08

Compassion? I've ferin buckets of it - for the victims.

For the loser parasite criminals of the world I have a bullet.

They don't know they are doing wrong? BANG! Then they won't breed more of like mind.

Bad ferkin luck, they only exist because this chartible society has compassion and lets them continue to live - and breed.

In a ranty mood tonight.

**sAsLEX** · 14th July 2006, 23:44

Originally Posted by scumdog

In a ranty mood tonight.

Nothing to do with the Duty free at all!

**scumdog** · 14th July 2006, 23:49

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

Nothing to do with the Duty free at all!

Weellll, it kinda 'enhances' the 'ranty mood'!!!
And CB has gone to bed and is in deriliction of her duty to control me.

But bless her, there's not a better woman in the world i.m.h.o for me.

(She's well qualified in peadriatrics).

**Skyryder** · 15th July 2006, 00:10

Originally Posted by scumdog

Compassion? I've ferin buckets of it - for the victims.

For the loser parasite criminals of the world I have a bullet.

They don't know they are doing wrong? BANG! Then they won't breed more of like mind.

Bad ferkin luck, they only exist because this chartible society has compassion and lets them continue to live - and breed.

In a ranty mood tonight.

Interesting word compassion. Lets look at it in a broader context. So Scum. you have never done anything that you are ashamed of or got caught in some minor misdemener. If that is truly the case then your position is well founded and I can find no fault with it. But if not (and who of us are truly perfect)............then those around you who show some understanding and forgiveness, of, your shall we say, embarressement, demonstrate their compassion to you. It is a fundamental need in the human psych. None of us are perfect.............and we may not understand the reasons for others doing wrong................but when we do wrong even in a small way............we dont reject forgiveness..............and without compassion there is no forgiveness.

It's a matter of degree....................the death penality demonstrates society lack of comapassion as no other punishment can.

Skyryder

**scumdog** · 15th July 2006, 00:20

Yeah SR, I ain't THAT clean- but my 'crimes' were victimless - no WOF, a speeding ticket etc.

I've compassion for somebody that 'scews-up' on something a little more serious once (or maybe twice).

But after that - and if it involves a serious consequence for any victim then my 'compassion' tends to run a tad thin.

Too much dealing with bottom feeders of society tend to give a man that jaundiced view.

**Ixion** · 15th July 2006, 00:25

I take your point, Mr Skyryder. And think I am perhaps justifiedly reproved.

And , it is for that reason that I said somewhere above that I do not think that death (or ostracism) should be meted out on the basis of a single offence, howsoever abhorrent.

But, do you not think that there must come a point , where a person exibits not a single failure but a prolonged a continued exploitation of society, when compassion must be considered exhausted ?

It is not a question of penalty, or vengence, but of utility. "You have been given many chances to change your ways. You have taken none of them, and show no indication that you will do so in the future. There is no place in our society for you, since you elect, knowingly, to form no part of the community, choosing instead to parasitise on others" ?

FWIW , I think that murder , taken in isolation, is probably the least valid crime for which to condemn someone to death. Human life can be surprisingly frail sometimes, and a moments unthought anger, a heedless lashing out, can extinguish it, in an isolated incident of folly in an otherwise worthwhile life .

Of course, there are other cases where murder simply marks the latest pinnacle of depravity in a worthless life. It is the latter I condemn, the people who have moved through life, always taking, always demanding, always shirking, never playing their part or bearing their share of the load, cruel selfish and slf centred.

**scumdog** · 15th July 2006, 00:34

Originally Posted by Ixion

I take your point, Mr Skyryder. And think I am perhaps justifiedly reproved.

But, do you not think that there must come a point , where a person exibits not a single failure but a prolonged a continued exploitation of society, when compassion must be considered exhausted ?

It is not a question of penalty, or vengence, but of utility. "You have been given many chances to change your ways. You have taken none of them, and show no indication that you will do so in the future. There is no place in our society for you, since you elect, knowingly, to form no part of the community, choosing instead to parasitise on others" ?

FWIW , I think that murder , taken in isolation, is probably the least valid crime for which to condemn someone to death. Human life can be surprisingly frail sometimes, and a moments unthought anger, a heedless lashing out, can extinguish it, in an isolated incident of folly in an otherwise worthwhile life .

Of course, there are other cases where murder simply marks the latest pinnacle of depravity in a worthless life. It is the latter I condemn, the people who have moved through life, always taking, always demanding, always shirking, never playing their part or bearing their share of the load, cruel selfish and slf centred.

I understand where you are 'coming from' Mr Ixion, a single explosive 'crime of passion' I can understand and of course it may be forgivable.

But with a person who has been through Youth Court, District Court et al and still continues until the inevitable tragic death of somebody?

I am less tolerant, society should also be less tolerant, there is a limit.

The cliche' :he was a result of his upbringing" will not one single victim restore.

For those too soft to demand an end to the criminals life? Let THEM pay for his life by financially supporting it.

**T.W.R** · 15th July 2006, 00:40

Originally Posted by Skyryder

Interesting word compassion. Lets look at it in a broader context. So Scum. you have never done anything that you are ashamed of or got caught in some minor misdemener. If that is truly the case then your position is well founded and I can find no fault with it. But if not (and who of us are truly perfect)............then those around you who show some understanding and forgiveness, of, your shall we say, embarressement, demonstrate their compassion to you. It is a fundamental need in the human psych. None of us are perfect.............and we may not understand the reasons for others doing wrong................but when we do wrong even in a small way............we dont reject forgiveness..............and without compassion there is no forgiveness.

It's a matter of degree....................the death penality demonstrates society lack of comapassion as no other punishment can.

Skyryder

Do you think a murderer has compassion for their victims, or how about a rapist, or peadophile having compassion for their victims? yeah right,not one fuckin ounce of it.
How the fark can you have compassion for something thats lower on the scale of life than pond scum.

95% of the time the perpetrator of the crime has more rights than the victim, and then when the crim is put behind bars its more like a low budget holiday camp than a proper prison & at a ludicrous cost to the taxpayer. Prison should be prison & the time spent should be hard time.

Or the psychological tests & oh they came from a disturbed up bringing, big friggin deal a lot of people have issues like that but it's only a certain type that vent it on innocent people, their bad seeds get rid of them don't friggin namby mamby to the scum.

Punishment should fit the crime, not bloody oh dear you did wrong lets talk about it & we'll help you shit!

We need to take a leaf out of some overseas countries books when it comes to crime & punishment and harden up a bit.

**jazbug5** · 15th July 2006, 01:28

It is an interesting moral argument - but once that power is given to the State, the debate (as far as how/who/when) would be closed to the rest of us, wouldn't it?
How much do you trust future and unknown governments?

Think how the use could 'evolve'.

State sanctioned murder does, of course, happen overseas every day (and by that I mean under other guises- 'war' of various sorts), but do we wish to entirely abandon our ideals and with them the (albeit remote) possibility of achieving future civilisation? My idea of civilised government does not include one that murders in a calculated fashion: and making it more 'sanitised' would, in my view, make the whole thing even more abhorrent.

And I will stab anyone that disagrees with me.

**scumdog** · 15th July 2006, 01:30

Originally Posted by jazbug5

And I will stab anyone that disagrees with me.

To death???

**jazbug5** · 15th July 2006, 01:35

Beyond.

In fact, first I will stab them.
Then I will kill them with death.
Then I will jump up and down on their remains until all that is left is a dubious greasy stain on the floor.
I will then mop this up with a piece of focaccia bread... and feed it to the pigs.

Hope this helps...

**scumdog** · 15th July 2006, 01:38

Originally Posted by jazbug5

Beyond.

In fact, first I will stab them.
Then I will kill them with death.
Then I will jump up and down on their remains until all that is left is a dubious greasy stain on the floor.
I will then mop this up with a piece of focaccia bread... and feed it to the pigs.

Hope this helps...

Love the 'feed to pigs' bit, do that to remains of 'suicide' bombers remains and pretty soon you wouldn't have any more 'volunteer' suicide Moslem bombers.