Why do young guys buy cars????

[inlinefour]

If that is not pigeon holeing, what is?


I put my point of view, as have others. I do not have to defend myself to anyone. Everyone has their own views. Sometimes people agree, sometimes they don't. That's what makes the world go round. All I am saying is people should not judge others when they do not know them.

I hope you enjoy your time with your son. I know I enjoy my time with mine. I just want to make sure that that time is not cut short due to circumstances that I have a little input into.

Or plain thick. I was sharing an experience, not comparing it to you. Do you really expect me to believe that your that slow? Do you ride a honduh as well?

Do kids not ride push bikes any more?

Dunno, I think they are considered too dangerous these days. I sure learnt alot from riding everywhere as a kid. I think must have parents at their beck and call, dont tend to see many kids out on pushies like ya used to...

[Goblin]

Do kids not ride push bikes any more?

Apparently not....far too dangerous

[Hawkeye]

Has he never been a passenger in a car? Surely he must have seen the dangers first hand many times. Give the youngins some credit...they do learn more than you may think by just seeing what goes on when you are driving. By you being a learner rider yourself, wouldnt it be great to learn with your son? Imagine you both out on your own bikes, having good times with him instead of waiting for him to "mature". Give him a chance if he's keen.

Sitting as a passenger in a car is not the same as actually being in control and having to make decisions.
I had to direct my older boy to places we have driven to hundreds of times.
When I said 'surely you must know the way', his response was 'I never took much notice'.

[Goblin]

Sitting as a passenger in a car is not the same as actually being in control and having to make decisions.
I had to direct my older boy to places we have driven to hundreds of times.
When I said 'surely you must know the way', his response was 'I never took much notice'.

I'm not saying it is the same.
Well I guess it's a case of give credit where credit is due then

[Hawkeye]

I was sharing an experience, not comparing it to you.

Sorry Inline but ' I had a draconic father also,'
That's not sharing, it's making a direct statement. It may not be what you meant but that's the way it comes across.
I do not want to get into a slagging match due to mis-interpretation. Life's too short. So let's just call it a day and get on with life.

[Hawkeye]

Do you ride a honduh as well?

Hi Inline, me again - sorry, but yes, I do ride a Honda.
Paid $100 for it and another $150 to get it through the WOF. Would have loved to buy a 250 rocket but as a first bike, it gets me around. It will also be a good first bike for my son once I can afford another one (after I get through my full).

[inlinefour]

Hi Inline, me again - sorry, but yes, I do ride a Honda.
Paid $100 for it and another $150 to get it through the WOF. Would have loved to buy a 250 rocket but as a first bike, it gets me around. It will also be a good first bike for my son once I can afford another one (after I get through my full).

There are 8 bikes in the garage, 2 of which I ride regularly. One of which is a CBR600RR, great bike. Might see ya on the road one day eh.

[Pixie]

Since cars became cheap enough for learners to buy,the standard of driving has hit rock bottom.
This is because the morons aren't being weeded out by starting on bikes and ending up greasy stains on the road

[Sea Bass]

As a 15 year old my self who has friends who drive cars I can say that the main appeal to cars is the whole comfort factor, I say I'm gonna save all my money (that I work for at two jobs, night shifts.) and spend around 1-2k on a bike, they say "F**** off its too cold, windy, small, hard too ride a bike and plus you can buy a dodgy car for that much with 3 passenger seats." and thats how it is, my firends don't see that bikes are some much more fun compared to cars after watching the Fast and the Furious cars look like prime peices of motoring machinery.


And in the other discussion about the dangers I've ridden a tiny nifty fifty scooter to and from work (j ville to town.) over 6 months and have been pulled over by a cop telling me how dangerous the things were and to get a bigger bike as the scooters just aren't quick enough to get out of danger and thats just what Im doing now.

[N4CR]

my firends don't see that bikes are some much more fun compared to cars after watching the Fast and the Furious cars look like prime peices of motoring machinery.

Haha show them some vids of a turbo busa or something.. ghost rider etc. Might get them changing their ideas to 'crazy' and looks fun etc. Show em wheelie vids, stunt vids all sorts of stuff.. taking it to the streets, road rides.

Killboy on his 636 in usa going through the twisties, ghost rider doing the uppsala run, GR on turbo busa, superchaos busa and other turbo busas, stock zx10r's wasting heavily modded cars blah blah blah list goes on, they will change their mind.

[Hawkeye]

Of course, there is also the dilema? of where to put the sub woofer on the bike. And the 1000 watt amp to drive it.

[Lou Girardin]

Why do you want to spend your own money to haul a load of bludgers with you?
Bikes or 2 seat cars - that's the ticket.

[Motu]

Or a pick up,then you can haul your mates dirt bikes around for them...

[TygerTung]

Young people think that bikes are far to dangerous to ride. They are pretty dangerous though I'll give you an example

I'm 21 now, started riding when I was 20. Have been driving cars since I was 15, quite good at it now, like to go out to the track every once in a while push it around the summit road ( I like cars too, classic ones from the early 80's and late 70's, do the engine swap etc) In 6 years of driving I have never had an accident on the road, apart from one in a carpark where a speeding driver cut in front of me, not my fault.

Now I got a bike when I was 20, a mighty honda CG110, it blew up a couple of days after I got it, so I got a 125 barallel, new piston and rings, conrod etc, then blew that up after a few weeks trail riding around the hills, cracked the oil filter plug against a rock, ran it dry of oil, it seized.

The bike sat around for a about a year, never got around to fixing it. I fixed it at the start of the year, got back on, brought some cordura pants as I had only jeans before that. In the first 6 months of riding I crashed 3 times, first was a lowside trying to get a knee down and scraping a solid footpeg, second was a highside chasing my mate around the hills who was on a TZR250, went into a corner too hot, hit a small concrete wasll bounced off it, highsided, fuck that hurt, mate picked up bike, put the tank back on and I rode back, I couldn't get off the bike when I got back to my house though, I was in too much pain. Third time, was on my new bike in the wet, front wheel locked up under slight brakes and I low sided again.

Now this shows you that for learner riders bikes are a lot more dangerous, and I have a bit less of a bullet proof attitude of a 15 year old. I brought a 250 2 stroke KR250 for $1500, bloody quick, scared me first time I rode it, you know 45hp and 129kg, now a 15 year old can go out and buy somthing like that, quicker than a lot of tough street cars, and with no parent beside him telling him how to drive either, he/she can do what he/she wants.

I reckon you are better to get your car licence first before getting a bike licence as you are so much more vunerable on a bike, when you're young you don't know about the gear, if you lock up or get into a slide in a car, it's not too much of a problem, you're less likely to be injured in an accident.

But young people buy cars, they're cheap, cooler, as you can take your mates, oir girlfriend around, do them up, go cruising, all things which you can't do on a bike. Also you can take heaps of shit around.

I don't think giving a 15 year old a 250 sports bike like a 2 stroke or even a slow 4 stroke 4 cylinder 250 is a good idea. I think a small bike like a honda CG110, or a big block 125 is a better idea, in fact all riders should start out on a small bike like that, it teaches you good skills, if you can't ride a small bike fast, you can't ride a big one fast

[petesmeats]

The bike sat around for a about a year, never got around to fixing it. I fixed it at the start of the year, got back on, brought some cordura pants as I had only jeans before that. In the first 6 months of riding I crashed 3 times, first was a lowside trying to get a knee down and scraping a solid footpeg, second was a highside chasing my mate around the hills who was on a TZR250, went into a corner too hot, hit a small concrete wasll bounced off it, highsided, fuck that hurt, mate picked up bike, put the tank back on and I rode back, I couldn't get off the bike when I got back to my house though, I was in too much pain. Third time, was on my new bike in the wet, front wheel locked up under slight brakes and I low sided again.

Now this shows you that for learner riders bikes are a lot more dangerous, and I have a bit less of a bullet proof attitude of a 15 year old. I brought a 250 2 stroke KR250 for $1500, bloody quick, scared me first time I rode it, you know 45hp and 129kg, now a 15 year old can go out and buy somthing like that, quicker than a lot of tough street cars, and with no parent beside him telling him how to drive either, he/she can do what he/she wants.

Honestly i do not know of one single 15 year old that would attempt to get a knee down on anything, anywhere... (Sure if they were groomed to race and had race teaching but that is a different matter and would most certainly be on a race track.)

I reckon that one of the best things about having a bike is the fact that you dont have to pay the petrol to drop other people home and you dont have to risk getting caught and forking out a third or a quarter of the fine for driving with passengers on your restricted...

The road safety stuff was still taught at school when i was there (9 years ago) and when my little brother was there they had some as well (4 years ago...) The cop came round and set up a little obstacle course and taught about bike safety and bike preperation and safety gear and everything...

If they have taken that out of school that is the dumbest thing i have ever heard...

I guess it is now the job of the parents to teach kids about that stuff... Oh well a good time to spend some time with them...

From what i have seen of mates that have been brought up around motorbikes and motorbiking they really havnt been taught respect for the dangers of motorbiking... Generally they have heard stories from their old men about the dangerous and highly illegal things that they got up to in their prime (Well gone by now) and try to emulate them.
(Once again this is not the rule of thumb but i can think of four of my mates who this applies to) I guess what i am trying to say is that if you are going to try to teach your kid about riding safely then do it properly and keep your stories of heroism on two wheels till you can tell it to the guy next to you at the bar...