Police are planning...

[scumdog]

Im picking that you are in the business of tax collecting as well, your attitude has already been expressed here by one of you colleuges

Quasievil, pray tell me how you would provide "incentive" to get people to stick to the speed limit, - apart from monetary of course!!
If speed doesn't kill why do bullets have to go so fast? (that wasn't "aimed" at you Quasievil!).
Nope, never had to collect a tax in my life.

[MD]

That ad made my 3 year cry the first time saw it. He freaked when the bike got hit.

Same here. Cuts you to the core doesn't it when something upsets your Kids. One of my little girls gets upset everytime she sees that same scene with the bike crashing and asks me to "be careful Dad" Guess it gets their [LTSA]message home in a round about way. I realised my Girls were oblivious to the risks my riding involves until they saw that ad. I accept the risk of riding myself but that damn ad shakes me up because it reminds me its not just me who will suffer.
I'm anti the LTSA and Police HQ propaganda "speed is the root cause of all road evils" myself. So its interesting that the only ad that has any effect on me is that one where failure to give way was the cause, not speed. Shame this point is wasted on the LTSA and Police HQ.
We need to lay off Spud and co. for doing their job in, from the sounds of it, a reasonable manner.
Better still can Spud and Co. seek out out all their 'like minded work mates' (i.e. those that don't suffer from zero intolerance syndrome) and get them all to transfer to Wellington/Wairarapa asap
MD

[Deano]

It must be winter and we're suffering withdrawals from not getting enough (riding the bike that is) - the posts seem to be getting quite niggly and personal, and less tongue in cheek.

OFF TOPIC - modalx - I don't suppose you could attach a pic of your SP-3 to your profile so I can have a good drool ?

[spudchucka]

When you ignore rational analysis in favour of a belief that is called delusion. You seem to be all about what you think, not about actually thinking. Oh well, its a good think no-one takes this seriously.

I'll be disappointed if you don't call me names some more. I love it when you talk dirty.

Well if I thought you had presented a rational analysis in the first place I might take you more seriously. I'm still waiting for the stats you quoted in the first place.

By the way I didn't call you a name I told you to get stuffed. Still applies too.

Going back to some other shit you were spouting earlier:

First there is the implication that enforcing arbitrary speed limits reduces accidents

There is plenty of evidence to support this. Have a look at the info and links posted in the police stats thread. Come back with some evidence to support your claims.

Most accidents occur well below the posted limits. Speed may still be a contributing cause but if it was below the limit how would enforcing the limit have changed anything? Speed may also be a factor when the main cause is something else - like being drunk. There has been an orchestrated effort by the LTSA to misrepresent these facts and link speed limit enforcement to accident reduction.

You are just another person who is totally missing the point. Use your common sense for a few seconds - its about reducing trauma FFS. Speed is a major contributing factor in road deaths and trauma, whether speed caused the crash is irrelevant.

Crashes are not accidents. They happen for a reason, usually because some arogant arse refuses to accept that there are road rules for a very good reason or they are simply careless or dangerous drivers.

Secondly there is an implication that speeding and driving like an idiot is the same thing. If speeding means driving beyond your abilities, your machine or without regard for the conditions then this is absolutely true. You could do that at 5ks.

If the limit of a persons driving ability was 5km/h they should stick to riding a pushbike. You are obviously one of these people who think they are such a good driver that they should have their own special speed limit. Or is it that your car / bike is so well made and has some fancy safety gadget that it makes it safe for you to travel above the speed limit. What if you were speeding and had a crash with a car that had lesser safety features and a whole family in that car died while you walk away unharmed. Is it the other drivers fault they all died because their doesn't have the same safety standard as yours? An idiot is an idiot no matter what, a speeding idiot in a fancy car is just a dangerous idiot.

But usually "speeding" means exceeding some totally meaningless and unscientific velocity number that by itself and without regard to the myriad of other factors that add up to an accident, is just a joke.

Unscientific!! What the f**k are all those crash tests done on cars to see how they crumple in a crash for? Aren't they scientific enough for you? You imply that the speed limits have been plucked out of someones arse without any thought or reason for the said limit.

Has no one ever calculated the time and distance it takes to react, apply the brakes and come to stop in the event of an emergency. Of course they bloody have.

I don't give a shit if people flame me for this but you are talking the biggest load of crap I've ever read on this forum in relation to the speed limit and road crashes.

[NordieBoy]

anyone no where i can buy a P

No but have some vowels for free.

A E I O U

[MikeL]

anyone no where i can buy a P

It's a good thing you used the indefinite article, which at least made your question meaningless, rather than a fairly disturbing assumption about what you expect to find on this forum.

[sAsLEX]

Unscientific!! What the f**k are all those crash tests done on cars to see how they crumple in a crash for? Aren't they scientific enough for you? You imply that the speed limits have been plucked out of someones arse without any thought or reason for the said limit.

Has no one ever calculated the time and distance it takes to react, apply the brakes and come to stop in the event of an emergency. Of course they bloody have.

And on how many of our passing lanes can you actually pass a vehicle going at 90-95k noting that they speed up on these normally straight sections of road, my guess is about 1 in five.

how long has the current speed limit stood?? If it was based on science they would have to re-evaluate alot more often than that as all the contributing factors such as technolgy have changed therefor making your scientific yet archaic speed limit irrellavant!

[denill]

to issue 75,000 more speeding tickets in the next 12 months compared to the last 12!

What a stupid statement. It clearly shows the mindset of the law makers - as what happens when everyone has slowed down.
Are the cops going to write tickets to non law breaking drivers/riders - just to make their quota - and keep their boss off their backs ??

If the scenario does not pan exactly that way, there is a hell of a lot of encouragement for just that to happen...........

I have always thought there was a lot of sense in the saying - the law is an ass. Now 'they' have proved it !!!

[Quasievil]

Quasievil, pray tell me how you would provide "incentive" to get people to stick to the speed limit, - apart from monetary of course!!
If speed doesn't kill why do bullets have to go so fast? (that wasn't "aimed" at you Quasievil!).
Nope, never had to collect a tax in my life.

its easy, demerit points, money doesnt have to be exchanged at all to enforce the road rules. I have 20 demerit points and 80 more I loose my licence that alone is a wake up for me, but no you have to pay cash as well, why ????
Speed doesnt kill, its the stop, Bullets dont kill unless someone shoots you ,its all about the operator and the condition,roads, cars,etc etc

[sAsLEX]

If speed doesn't kill why do bullets have to go so fast? (that wasn't "aimed" at you Quasievil!).

Accuracy and range!

What is the speed limit on gravel?? Is it not alot more dangerous to travel at speed on metal, and yet how many hp do you see trolling the litlle traveled roads in search of prey?

[Quasievil]

Accuracy and range!

What is the speed limit on gravel?? Is it not alot more dangerous to travel at speed on metal, and yet how many hp do you see trolling the litlle traveled roads in search of prey?

The speed limit on gravel is as posted BUT, you have to be able to stop in HALF the visible road ahead of you.

Coming down for a ride Bro, forget that study Shite

[sAsLEX]

sorry but cant afford the wraith that will ensue if I happen to fail a paper, mind you in the three week break I will have plenty of time!

[maybe]

Labour promised no new taxes so they have to take our money some how.

[Lou Girardin]

Which is it Spud? Inappropriate speed or exceeding the speed limit that's the danger?
You know as well as I do that they're very different things.
The LTSA seems confused too
Inapproriate speed causes many accidents, but it's not a great revenue earner.
Don't forget too, that the road toll has been falling since they raised the limit from 80 to 100 km/h.

PS. I think the cops on the Holmes story took exception to the H8 IRD plate.

[sAsLEX]

Don't forget too, that the road toll has been falling since they raised the limit from 80 to 100 km/h.

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Happens in alot of places that, raising the road toll where appropriate. waiakato expressway/revenue lane *cough*