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[Hitcher]

anyone no where i can buy a P

Sk8r_boi has got one in his gargre

[Bfocus8]

NZ polices are the most stupid ones i ever seen, they only know how to write tickets. Awaste of our taxation. Driving big fat Holden running around. dont make any sense to crime and safety of community.

[Indo]

You are just another person who is totally missing the point. Use your common sense for a few seconds - its about reducing trauma FFS. Speed is a major contributing factor in road deaths and trauma, whether speed caused the crash is irrelevant.

Best point in this entire thread. Strange how this simple logic just seems to fly over some peoples head. The faster you go the higher the probability of you having a serious accident, its a fact, its not LTSA propaganda. Use your brain. You have a higher chance of losing control the faster you go and you have a higher chance of being unable to avoid other idiots/hazards on the road. The faster you go the greater the forces involved in the collision, hence the greater the damage caused to both people and vehicles. You look at a crash involving speeds of 120+ and compare it to one at 100km and tell me this isn't true. Speed doesn't necessarily always cause the crash but it makes it unavoidable.

Which is it Spud? Inappropriate speed or exceeding the speed limit that's the danger?.

Surely you can see the problem with this? Do you want them to take away speed limits and let everyone drive at a speed which they think is appropriate? Lots of people here might be able to do this within reason, but do you really trust the general driving public that much?

What kind of speed do you think some little 18 year old boyracer with his mates in the car is going to think is safe for the conditions?

Yeh it would be nice if Cops could instantly divine who is safe to travel at 110+ and who isn't. It would be nice if we all had our personal speed limit according to our abilities. Unfortunately thou you have to have one law for all and a set limit that applies for everyone.

[marty]

Commentary around the higher road toll

• More cars travelling more kilometres are causing more crashes on New Zealand roads.
• LTSA traffic surveys show the total number of vehicle kilometres travelled (VKT) on New Zealand roads has increased by 7.5% since 2001, when the last surveys were carried out. Petrol deliveries increased by 8% in the 12 months to June 2003, suggesting that much of the increase in VKT has occurred in the most recent year.
• The number of vehicle kilometres travelled on non-motorway open roads is up even more dramatically, by 15% this year from 2001. About three-quarters of all fatal crashes occur on open roads.
• An analysis of crashes this year shows that drink driving has contributed to 28% of fatal crashes and excessive speed to 34%. Nearly 30% of the 441 people killed this year have not been wearing seatbelts.
• New Zealand’s road fatality rate has come down 50 percent since 1990, in spite of significant increases in population, on-road vehicles and kilometres driven.

[marty]

NZ polices are the most stupid ones i ever seen, they only know how to write tickets. Awaste of our taxation. Driving big fat Holden running around. dont make any sense to crime and safety of community.

It all comes back to the lowest common denominator, and here is a classic example.

[Two Smoker]

I agree with Indo, if you get caught speeding, the cop is doing his/her job correctly..... How does he/she know when someone is travelling at 110+kmh that that driver is capable of travelling safely at that speed? it is impossible, unless they know that person....


I also agree that increasing the amount of tickets by 75000 is a load of shit..... that is putting undue strain on the police and thus on the public, due to having to watch their speed consistently instead of looking for hazards, and also wondering where the money will come from to pay for the ticket....

Modalax, take a bit of a chill pill, Spud has taken the time to show us his point of view (from the eyes of the law on the beat, not the officers stuck in offices) therefore he has the experience to know what he is talking about......

I also have the experience of receiving tickets...... ive had no problems with getting them at all.....

[spudchucka]

And on how many of our passing lanes can you actually pass a vehicle going at 90-95k noting that they speed up on these normally straight sections of road, my guess is about 1 in five.

how long has the current speed limit stood?? If it was based on science they would have to re-evaluate alot more often than that as all the contributing factors such as technolgy have changed therefor making your scientific yet archaic speed limit irrellavant!

Technology hasn't made that much of a difference. The current speed limit was introduced some time in the 1980's, don't remember the exact year. Prior to that it was 80kph.

Your first comment is to do with driver behaviour / attitude and has nothing to do with any posted speed limit.

[spudchucka]

What a stupid statement. It clearly shows the mindset of the law makers - as what happens when everyone has slowed down.
Are the cops going to write tickets to non law breaking drivers/riders - just to make their quota - and keep their boss off their backs ??

Hmmm, just start making offences up and lying your ass off in Court in order to fulfill a bullshit quota. Not in my world pal!

[spudchucka]

Which is it Spud? Inappropriate speed or exceeding the speed limit that's the danger?

Both. Its too subjective to say one is dangerous and the other isn't. Inappropriate speed can cause a crash however speed in general is a major contributing factor in regards to trauma. I'm not saying higher speeds are inherently causing more crashes. I'm saying that in the event of a crash speed is a trauma promoting factor. Thats why we have a speed limilt and thats why it is enforced.

[spudchucka]

Happens in alot of places that, raising the road toll where appropriate. waiakato expressway/revenue lane *cough*

Raising the road toll where appropriate?? I don't think that came out the way you meant it??

[spudchucka]

[QUOTE=eNZed Fred]

The camera black spots are a joke because people just slow down for a short period of time and then continue to break the speed limit.

Ummmmmmmmm.......... I thought that was the idea.
To slow people down in the blackspot, and so reduce the chances of it continuing to be a blackspot.
By implication, it means that the areas outside the blackspot are not a problem statistically, and so do not need special attention.

The desired effect is to slow people down in general, not just in specific sites. If you fix one black spot by policing it hard, whats to say that another black spot won't naturally occurr in another place that is not receiving the same attention?

[Milky]

Hmmm, just start making offences up and lying your ass off in Court in order to fulfill a bullshit quota. Not in my world pal!

wasnt there a case of this years ago, when some cops got reprimanded for faking tickets? AFAIK they had recorded one speed on the radar then used that to ticket a large number of people... needless to say someone saw a pattern and the offenders were found out. Not saying it still happens, or that it is endemic, but it has happened before...

[MD]

wasnt there a case of this years ago, when some cops got reprimanded for faking tickets? AFAIK they had recorded one speed on the radar then used that to ticket a large number of people... needless to say someone saw a pattern and the offenders were found out. Not saying it still happens, or that it is endemic, but it has happened before...

I've wondered about this myself. I've always taken my tickets with a smile and accepted the fine and wouldn't bother disputing the speed if I genuinely knew I was speeding. But what if an unscrupulous HP with a grudge against the whole damn world or whatever pings one speedster and then books the next 5 cars off the same reading? Its already been stated on another thread that HP don't have to show you the read out. Can those in the business shed some light on this? Is there a time stamp on the readings. Even then its his word against yours on the time elapsed.

[spudchucka]

I also agree that increasing the amount of tickets by 75000 is a load of shit..... that is putting undue strain on the police and thus on the public, due to having to watch their speed consistently instead of looking for hazards, and also wondering where the money will come from to pay for the ticket.....

I don't know how they expect to get those extra speeding tickets because where I work in the last 2 - 3 years it has become increasingly harder to find people speeding. My own personal assessment, from what I see every day is that most people sit around 55 - 58 kph in town. I don't spend a lot of time in 100kph areas but when I do I see people by and large sticking to around 98 - 105kph.

Fair enough if they intend to introduce harder policing of intersections etc because there are heaps of poor driving habits displayed at intersections, (some people here have even suggested this should be done). Any way if that is the intention I would support it wholeheartedly.

[spudchucka]

wasnt there a case of this years ago, when some cops got reprimanded for faking tickets? AFAIK they had recorded one speed on the radar then used that to ticket a large number of people... needless to say someone saw a pattern and the offenders were found out. Not saying it still happens, or that it is endemic, but it has happened before...

I'm not familiar with the incident you speak so I won't say it never happened because I don't know. There are checks and ballances in place to prevent this sort of stuff happening however.