The Christian Smacking Manual!!

**RantyDave** · 20th July 2006, 10:10

Originally Posted by Jim2

Where's my manual on how to smack Christians then?

I was wondering where to get some Christian smack, and how it different from ordinary smack. "It's like, from god, man".

BTW, I apparently have to spread some reputation around before greening you again. C'est la vie.

Dave

**Str8 Jacket** · 20th July 2006, 10:11

Originally Posted by RantyDave

I was wondering where to get some Christian smack, and how it different from ordinary smack. "It's like, from god, man".

I wouldnt be surprised if Brian Tamaki knew....

**Lou Girardin** · 20th July 2006, 10:18

A lawyer commented on the anti-smacking bill recently. He said the bill is basically a control measure by the green fanatics who do not want juries to have the discretion afforded by the current defence of reasonable force.
It also seems that the case the greens are so fond of quoting, in which a 12 year old was hit with a riding crop. He was actually punished for swinging at his father with a baseball bat.
I'd say he was lucky it was just a riding crop.

**scumdog** · 20th July 2006, 10:30

Originally Posted by Ozzie

Let me start by saying, I am not advocating child abuse.....BUT......

Tell me, what is the difference between hitting inappropriatly, and screaming the house down at a kid?

I have seen both extremes, and neither is pretty!

IMHO, where we went wrong was going politically correct. Stop hitting, rip shreds off your kids instead? WTF? This is why no prick these days respect the cops, the law, or their parents. Not good enough.

My kids have been smacked, twice, once, and three times (respectively), each time was to warn them (so to speak) of danger, you say no, no, no, when they fiddle with a power point, a quick smack on the hand shows them it is serious, and so are you, especially when smacking and shouting is NOT the norm for them.

I'm with Ozzie here, kids are like pups, when they're little (pups up to three monthe, kids up to three years) you have to show them who rules and what is acceptable behaviour, if it takes a smack or two so be it.

Rarely smacked my kids and by the time they were 4 years old I hardly had to raise my voice.

Even as teenagers they knew if my voice got louder/harder they were in deep shit, never ever had to lift a finger.

Never had the drugs, booze, behaviour problems from them that I see so much in my job - and now my kids are bigger they have never complained I was too hard on them.

**James Deuce** · 20th July 2006, 10:35

I think Ozzie and SD have it right myself. The counter argument is always to display some one percenter's victim and then compare everyone who opposes the anti-smacking bill as a one percenter themselves. Standard Reactionary-Liberal tactic that one.

**Paul in NZ** · 20th July 2006, 10:46

Originally Posted by Jim2

I think Ozzie and SD have it right myself. The counter argument is always to display some one percenter's victim and then compare everyone who opposes the anti-smacking bill as a one percenter themselves. Standard Reactionary-Liberal tactic that one.

Yeah. Bloody Reactionary-Liberals - next thing they will be trotting out Arthur Alan Thomas every time you want to discuss executing Satan...

(heh heh)

**The Stranger:Me** · 20th July 2006, 12:17

Originally Posted by Weasel

The man who strikes first admits that his ideas have given out. ~Chinese Proverb
.

The chinese proverb overlooks one very important thing. The person you are arguing with must be capable of understanding reason.
Sadly many adults can't do that let alone young children.

**Ozzie** · 20th July 2006, 12:59

It is only serving one purpose, creating tomorrow's victims of society!

It will be these younguns that get hooked on P, beat the shit out of some old lady (cause she reminded me of mum), then the jury will feel sorry for them, as will the judge, and give them the minimum sentence. They will be the victim, to hell with the lady they cripled.

As a child myself, it never occured to me that adults have as little a clue how to fix things as I now know we do. Face it, society is an experiment that some sick f*ck dreamed up, but what do you do?

It does put a whole new spin on Bible Bashing tho!

**XP@** · 20th July 2006, 14:24

Our house is currently having the to smack or not to smack debate (Kids 2f,9m,12f & 12m)

My instant answer has always been no smacking.

What is smacking? It is a tool for parents to get what they want.
The same can be said for time out, no tv, early bed, or whatever punishment you decide to use.
By the same token ice cream, a trip to the park or playing ball can also be tools to get what you want.

The problem is when smacking is used to solve all problems for the parents not just the most serious. In bike terms it is an adjustable spanner, will open most bolts but has a tendancy to round them off making it harder to open them in the future.

If smacking is taken away then an easy and powerful tool will be taken away. What will be put there in its place? Highly likely, nothing. A LOT of eduation would be needed to help parents with "positive parenting". Without this then yes, kids will beat up on their parents who will be able to do nothing about it. (I have seen this happen, I lived in Sweden for 2 years)

Smacking and other punishments are easy to give out and make effective, but they increase stress.
Wheras a diversion or well used positive incentive makes for a much more quieter and more enjoyable life for the family. This is the harder option to implement because you will often have to outsmart your kids to do it.

Personally I find it easier to take 4 kids to the park, Te Papa, The Zoo where ever than sit around all day and do nothing. If I'm around the house all day then i end up fustrated, annoyed and frazzled. But expend a bit of energy in the kids and you've had a good day, they have had a good day and you havn't resorted to tv, playstation bribes with a few early bed time threats thrown in, instead you have given the kids a good memory with some photos of the day.

Then there is the other side where excessive force is used to tragic results. We need to address this problem and quickly. How, I don't know but I am sick of hearing about kids being killed by there parents / guardiens. Maybee a ban on smacking would show the potential killers up before it was too late.

**mstriumph** · 20th July 2006, 14:27

Originally Posted by The_Dover

my mother used to smack me with a wooden spoon.

but I'm still a delinquent.

that's because you ENJOYED it

**Lou Girardin** · 20th July 2006, 15:16

Originally Posted by XP@

What is smacking? It is a tool for parents to get what they want.

Obedience?
Peace and quiet?

Sounds good to me.

**Zed** · 20th July 2006, 16:44

Originally Posted by Mental-Trousers

A row has broken out over a manual published by a Christian group that on how to smack kids.

I just had a read thru that article on Stuff, then I read through this thread, and 90% of your replies can be summed up with what Craig Smith of Family Integrity said:

Originally Posted by Stuff Article

Mr Smith said last night the brochure was written for a Christian audience and outlined the biblical philosophy of child punishment. Many Christians did not want to see smacking banned as that would take away parental authority, but he conceded the brochure would appear as "total nonsense" to non-Christians.

Many of you, parents or not, have little or no understanding about the Biblical method of child disciple 'the rod of correction', which has been practised for 1000's of years successfully, and yes even today I know personally of Christian families who have used it, and it works - just like God said it would!

**The_Dover** · 20th July 2006, 16:46

It's not the same as the Catholic "erection of correction" is it?

Punishment by priest.

**inlinefour** · 20th July 2006, 18:36

Originally Posted by Zed

I just had a read thru that article on Stuff, then I read through this thread, and 90% of your replies can be summed up with what Craig Smith of Family Integrity said:

Many of you, parents or not, have little or no understanding about the Biblical method of child disciple 'the rod of correction', which has been practised for 1000's of years successfully, and yes even today I know personally of Christian families who have used it, and it works - just like God said it would!

But sadly the minority have ruined it for the rest of society by thinking they can "bash" the kids as discipline. They might not actually be Christians, but alas many who physically abuse children claim to be. I am not against a light smack as a form of disciplining a child at all. However the definition of what exactly a smack is comes into question. If the child(ren) are being hurt physically then it becomes a problem.