Motorbikes are Dangerous - Bullshit

**James Deuce** · 21st July 2006, 21:50

Dead right OAB, random bullets don't tend to arrive at 90 degrees to the firing range.

**Drum** · 21st July 2006, 23:46

Aint it funny how all the best things in life are bad for you?

**sunhuntin** · 22nd July 2006, 10:20

Originally Posted by quickbuck

How do you figure that?

As for being dangerous, well put it this way, it isn't the gun that kills, it is the person who pulls the trigger.

kinda like that big guys shirt in happy gilmore..."guns dont kill people. I kill people."

in this case...its not the vehicle that kills, its the person twisting/stepping on the throttle.

**quickbuck** · 22nd July 2006, 12:17

You got it.

**Macktheknife** · 22nd July 2006, 13:28

Originally Posted by Big McJim

Cheers to you all for your feedback on this issue - so the bottom line is bikes are statistically more dangerous - but then statistics are all lies anyway! Still I've always loved arguing indefensible positions - keeps you sharp for arguments when you're right! Been riding now for 3 months in Auckland - got knocked off after 3 weeks, shook hands with the driver immediately afterwards - no hard feelings, although it was blatently her fault. Then lost traction and fell off the other night in the rain while going round a corner. I really do know that life on 2 wheels is dangerous but there's this smug git at work who keeps calling me "organ donor", "Temporary Citizen" and stuff and I was looking for a decent one-liner kinda put down without being offensive to the geezer (being from Glasgow I can do offensive in my sleep and so need no advice).

Hell why didnt you say so!
Lets see now, 'aren't we all' is a standard response.
'You know I feel sorry for people like you, you live life according to what you are afraid of instead of what you enjoy.'
'Yes it is dangerous, what's your point?'
'You say that like it's a bad thing'
'Not as temporary as you will be if you keep that shit up'
'Everything in life that is fun is dangerous, is that a good enough reason not to enjoy it?'
These are some of the ones I use on a regular basis, I have noticed however that if you question people who say this shit they usually have no knowledge of riding themselves, they just 'know someone who knew someone' etc (some people actually think this is funny!).
If I take the time to explain that I have been riding for 20+ years and yes I have had a couple of crashes but here I am, how many times have they had fender benders etc? people suddenly become more reasonable.
Alternatively if the guy is pissing you off with this crap you could always have a 'bankside' chat with him!

**ManDownUnder** · 22nd July 2006, 14:29

Originally Posted by quickbuck

How do you figure that?

It costs me 7c/km on the bike and 19c/km in the car.

Originally Posted by quickbuck

As for being dangerous, well put it this way, it isn't the gun that kills, it is the person who pulls the trigger

True, although I'm not sure how that fits with the point you're trying to make...

Consider the stats (and I really don't know what they are) but I'm willing to bet that injuries and deaths per 100,000km travelled would highlight bikes as being more dangerous.

Likewise injuries or deaths pre registered vehicle.

Or fatalities per accident or... there are so many ways to make the point... and I (for one) am happy to accept that bikes are more dangerous than cars. I'm not defensive about it - it's just the way it is.

**James Deuce** · 22nd July 2006, 18:22

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

It costs me 7c/km on the bike and 19c/km in the car.

Blimey, I'll have to get an RF900. That's about a third of what my spend is. The only thing that is better than the car is the petrol consumption. Everything else is more expensive, from tyres, to servicing, to consumables, the special gear needed for riding a bike (I could comfortably drive a car in my Y-Fronts.), the consumer crap that I don't NEED but buy anyway, all that stuff makes bikes much more expensive than cars.

**Edbear** · 22nd July 2006, 18:34

Originally Posted by sunhuntin

we may as well put a bullet in our heads now.

Wouldn't that be rather dangerous...?

**ManDownUnder** · 24th July 2006, 09:28

Originally Posted by Jim2

Blimey, I'll have to get an RF900. That's about a third of what my spend is.

Actually (rechecking recipts etc) by fuel spend is between 9.99c and 11.13c/km

sorry - I underestimated it.

I only toodle around on it, but that's also taking into account splitting 10km a day in 3rd, but otherwise all motorway/open road stuff.

MDU

**Insanity_rules** · 24th July 2006, 09:34

We don't kill bikers, cagers do! Cynical but true. I'd love to see stats on how many bike fatalities are caused by cars.

**Drunken Monkey** · 24th July 2006, 09:44

Originally Posted by Ozzie

...Imagine closing your eyes and crossing Queen St in Auckland, you'd be f'kd for sure, ...

Nah, traffic is a bit slow. Symonds Street is the real killer.

Originally Posted by Insanity_rules

...I'd love to see stats on how many bike fatalities are caused by cars.

Here's a little secret - try pressing the "search" button at the top of the screen!

**quickbuck** · 27th July 2006, 19:58

Originally Posted by Jim2

Blimey, I'll have to get an RF900. That's about a third of what my spend is. The only thing that is better than the car is the petrol consumption. Everything else is more expensive, from tyres, to servicing, to consumables, the special gear needed for riding a bike (I could comfortably drive a car in my Y-Fronts.), the consumer crap that I don't NEED but buy anyway, all that stuff makes bikes much more expensive than cars.

You got it.

**quickbuck** · 27th July 2006, 20:00

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

Actually (rechecking recipts etc) by fuel spend is between 9.99c and 11.13c/km

sorry - I underestimated it.

I only toodle around on it, but that's also taking into account splitting 10km a day in 3rd, but otherwise all motorway/open road stuff.

MDU

Haven't you heard of maintenance?
Also, do you "toodle" in the nude?