Welfare hand-out No. 256- ENOUGH ALREADY

[MD]

Arrggh! I nearly threw the telly out the window during tonights News story on giving fruit to kids in low decile schools because they aren't fed properly at home. Lucky I got to the remote in time.
I've had a gutsful of this shit labour govt's never ending pre-occupation to invent more ways of taking everything a worker earns and giving it to bludging undeserving losers.
Do I sound unkind? It's my bloody money so I should have a right to how it's given away. Calm. let me explain. I chose to bring Kids into this world. I chose to work so I could support them- it called a responsibility. Surprising enough that means feeding them. I pay for fruit and veges for MY kids ..and me, and a beer for me once in a while.
The govt takes 39% of what I work for and gives it to complete strangers. I have no choice in this matter. These strangers on the other hand seem to have all the choices in the world? They choose not to work to support themselves and their offspring. Some, a few some, I agree genuinely can't work. They could be used as land fill to extend our runaway? That's another thread maybe.
So these strangers get my money for the essentials of life. Oh I feel all warm inside from my forced charity. After years of watching the News and reading papers I have deduced that they instead choose to spend most on ciggies, booze, the TAB and buying P or equipment to make P.
So to right this wrong, our ever generous Govt decides that, since these strangers deserve their freedom of choice on how they fritter away the taxpayers money, the taxpayer must pay twice to feed the offspring. This is the bit that ticks me off. I HAVE ALREADY GIVEN MONEY FOR THEIR FOOD. So now whether or not a parent should feed their kids properly simply depends on what school they send them to. Call that fair?
Kid A goes to school A - Mum and Dad must feed him properly from their wages- no charity for them the bastards chose to be workers. Kid B on the other hand goes to school B - Oh that's Ok Mum and Dad, you don't have to feed your Kid WITH THE MONEY WE GAVE YOU TO FEED THEM WITH, collect $200 and advance 5 spaces to the pub so you can have extra beer with those ciggies.
A parent is a parent irrespective of the suburb they live in or how they earn money! You can't be released of the obligations of parenthood and even worse, the Govt should not be allowed to force that obligation onto someone else (you & me)
Fire away pc brigade I don't care.

[Ixion]

So vote Communist. The only party that'll deal to the shirkers.

[Finn]

2 things you should do;

1) Remember this next election and spread the word.
2) Go see an accountant. You shouldn't be paying 39% tax.

[Motu]

And what alternative party do you see in our system that will change this??

I'm with Ixion - surrender everything you have to a communist regime,they will send these shirkers to Otago to make pineapple plantations.They will never been seen again.You need real politics.

[babyB]

*shakes head*
I wish hardship never to knock on your door MD




An' it harm none, do what thou wilt

[jazbug5]

Surely the point is more that the children should not have to suffer ill health (potentially) for the rest of their lives just because their parents are crap.

Plus, won't they cost more money in the long term if they get bowel cancer etc?

[MD]

Oh to be a woman and see only good in people that are simply BAD. Predictably for sympathisers you overlooked my point- treat the cause not the symptom. Don't just keep throwing more money at people in the vain hope that some will trickle down to their Kids.
My point is not that the children suffer and deserve better- they do.
My point is out of control escallation of welfare without adequate checks that 1. the beneficiary is genuinely deserving and 2. the money is used appropriately and for what it was supposedly taken from the taxpayer for- a safety net. Welfare to some should be by food stamps otherwise it's wasted and doesn't get passed the pub to the needy kids at home.

Take a drive through a poor suburb, say Cannons Creek and you will see more Sky dishes than flowers. I cancelled Sky years ago because it was a bad influence on my young Kids. I have a tidy garden though.

Hardship does knock on my door- for every 100 steps forward I get knocked back 39 and now I can't afford a new MV Agusta for myself. Why can't the govt force others to pay for my chosen pleasures, it's the same principle they apply against me?

[Biohazard]

I agree in principal with M.D - I wont bore you with my right wing views, just to say..

STOP BEING DROP OUTS & BLAMING IT ON THE REST OF THE WORLD BECOZ YOU ARE F*CKING MORONS AND CAN'T FIGURE SHIT OUR FOR YOURSELVES AND RELY ON THE STATE TO WIPE YOUR ARSES.

I think that about covers it.

Good on ya M.D

I've experienced hard times and the labour government didn't lift a finger to help, so bollocks to the hard times theory.

[Swoop]

Can't feed 'em - don't breed 'em.

Simple.

[Fatjim]

I've been on the dole. But because I actually worked before I went on it I had to "stand down" for 10 weeks. Then they offered me $120 a week to cover my $500 mortgage. Then they paid me around $500 in total a week to support my Wife and 3 kids, which just about covered the mortgage. Then when I got a job, they took $3000 of family support back because it's based on your yearly income, not weekly like the other benifits, plus penalties, because I kept throwing the child support notices in the bin, who needs family support when you're working? Maybe I deserved the dole

[Finn]

So Jim hasn't got a flat nose.

[Ixion]

*shakes head*
I wish hardship never to knock on your door MD




An' it harm none, do what thou wilt

However, in many ways the people most harmed by the shirkers are those suffering genuine hardship ; the sick, the handicapped, the vulnerable.

One of the reasons I detest shirkers is because they "hijack" the resources and assistance that shoulkd be there for those in genuine need, for whatever reason.

And the "harm none" of the Rede also includes harming thyself. "The Gods cannot help those who will not help themselves"

To thy Wiccan Rede, I will respond with the Communist rede : From each according to his ability: to each according to his need

When the feckless take, not from need but from laziness, they deprive those in genuine need.

[dhunt]

Surely the point is more that the children should not have to suffer ill health (potentially) for the rest of their lives just because their parents are crap.

I agree with you here. But these kids are more than likely going to grow up and do exactly what there parents did - LIVE OFF HANDOUTS.

I think doll bludgers should work for there money. Ie if you get a handout you work (manual labour) depending on your ablities from picking up rubbish or sweeping to working on roads or something.

I think this is the only way there people will actually get out of this mentality.

[ManDownUnder]

I think doll bludgers should work for there money. Ie if you get a handout you work (manual labour) depending on your ablities from picking up rubbish or sweeping to working on roads or something.

Agreed - 2 thoughts on that
1) Put 'em all through an army boot camp. Beat discipline into them. It'll only do them, and society at large, good.
2) Who saw the thing on borderline about the lack of fruit pickers?

We have orchardists with not enough labour, migrant labour being booted out because of no work visa (and fair enough), and how many people sitting on their arses collecting the dole???

Na mate. 1 month on the dole, then you go through boot camp if you don't have a job. You don't show up you are considered AWOL and dealt with accordingly.

*ding* NEXT!

Re the parents not feeding their kids - that's a bigger more systemic issue. Again - put 'em through boot camp. Teach them how to fend for themselves, and how to cook properly. No-one else ha obviously done it so the State needs to intervene.

The ambulance is needed at the bottom of this cliff so the kids don't suffer. I agree with the sentiment thjey shouldn't be disadvantged by dumb arse parents that (through ignorance or stupidity) don't feed them right and spend money on other crap.

I also think corrective/preventative measures need to be taken - the army seems a good place to start.

A kick in the arse ought to help.
MDU rant slowing to a sprint...

[kickingzebra]

Been on both sides of the hardship coin, and to be honest, being white, and unwilling to take the dole period, there was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING the government would do for me. WINZ wouldn't even allow me on their job seeker books unless I was on the dole.
After 9 months off work, due to an injury that ACC wriggled out of paying for (hindsight says I would have won in court) I went to WINZ at the suggestion of a budget advisor, to be told the exact same thing, sign on the dole, it only has to be for a few weeks, and then we'll sort something out.

I believe that attitude breeds apathy and depression, and that is half the reason these 3rd generation welfare dependants are still at it.
Give the man a hand up, not a hand out.

Hand outs don't solve anything. Good morals, and personal responsibility, they solve problems.

The commie way, in this instance would work too...(runway fill and pineapple plantations) Only one problem, what good is it me having an MV agusta thou, if everyone else has one. Good endeavour deserves reward, lest there be no motive for endeavour. That would be a backwards slide.