Drugs

[Matt Bleck]

/\/\/\ Want to get high?

[candor]

Hey Dover - That helmet would give you a big head right? I'll look out for you

Squeak "we don't have anywhere near the same herion problem as countries such as aus... " That's right and street users often don't drive but those who do are very high risk per crash studies so its always worth mentioning in case.

As for methadone with near 4000 on the program and huge amounts being diverted to naive users NZ is seeing a problem - cos once these addicts get a routine going in life rather than just crime/drugs one thing they do fast is get wheels. And clinic patients are causing road mayhem (several stories available)

"Interesting stats about the pot mixed with booze. But... if the driver has done this then they will be over the booze limit and get busted anyway...."

You'd think but thats wrong. The culpable crash dead with cannabis /alc in them are mostly under the drink limit (the mix is more than the parts)
... and only a third of people stoned on all drugs on the road are over alc limit
- so the alc checkpoints are like a sieve and only net a minority of drugged 1's

"Have there been any studies on people driving under the influence of anphetamines?"

Heaps - seems to be ok per prescription eg ritalin. or in moderation and may as you say improve skills / alertness and reactions eg truckies, though there are better stimulants that don't have danger of sleep deprivation

Problem with P is usually that a drinker will drink more not realising is drunk, or that effects of sleep deprivation are there but not felt (till the crash!). And some US studies do show increased risktaking type crashes with increased risk therefore for users who drive of dying. I'd say it depends very much who is studied / how they use eg youth would be worse off and bingers.

Re if its ok to take some mdma and go for a ride. Dose and whether you're in the peak intoxication stage would have some effect on crash risk - don't need studies to figure that one out. I'd say probably not a great idea if there are hallucinogenic properties to what is used as it adds to stimuli and distractions. Also ones mood may be too carefree causing reduced vigilance.

Quite a lot of nasty crashes have been caused by mdma use overseas including in the come down and even due to drug induced psychosis even tho use is not high in the driving population - most people chose not to drive on it as Scottish studies show (sorry to drone on studies again) that users feel they are way too messy, much moreso than if they had used other drugs.

The safest of those types of drugs for driving is likely legal bzp party pills which despite all the fuss about them lately it sems not one road death is associated with them. And I have made inquiry under the OIA about this considering MPs like Anderton have been blowing about bzp and road safety.
They are over the 21 day deadline for answering my inquiry so I asume its an embarrassed silence - the emperor has no clothes!

"PS - know where I can score some downers, man"?
I thought you liked uppers - ummm... try one of the D doctors - dotty duped or a deviate one (if ?fem). Take an extra 60 bucks with you if u not good lookin'.

[The Stranger:Me]

Hi - dropping in to see if anyone interested in this subject.

Oh yeah, there are some whats interested alright.

[The Stranger:Me]

Can't be stuffed reading the whole thread, but what is your angle here?

I mean it looks like you have come to a biker site to warn bikers about taking drugs and riding.
Why would you do that?

Bikers of all people are only too aware of whom comes out worst if they screw up. We really need no reminder of that.

Any biker whom does take drugs and rides probably wont do it too many times as natural selection will in the end sort it out and in the interim the risk to other road users is very minimal.

But hey, good luck anyway

[inlinefour]

I ride in the twisties to get the adrenaline working, if ya need drugs to get the hit while riding then maybe motomarsickles aint fer ya?

[The_Dover]

I need drugs to get through the day.

Motorcycles are just a little "booster" for my rooster.

[BeakerRAT]

Subsitute Car for Bike

The Acid Song

I had not taken acid for twelve years.
But one night last summer I did
I was with friends in a barroom
Acting like a jerk & a kid
I knew we were asking for trouble.
& trouble was what we would get
Five of us dropped in the girls room. Psychedelicised, insane quintet

Well, that bathroom got crowded in no time.
Our minds were all blown in one flash Everyone in there got ugly.
We exited out of there fast.
Back in the bar we were happy (no problem, feel great!)
Back in the bar we were fine
Till Johnny turned into a Nazi.
& Mary threw up her wine

Well, in no time we all were ejected
Soon we were out on the street
The sidewalk began to perspire.
We had glass & dogshit at out feet
We went over to Mary's apartment (come on!).
To listen to the Grateful Dead
On the way there we lost Johnny.
He had opted for Bellevue instead

(It's fine.)
I'm really glad you talked me into this.
I'm having a ball.I love this.It's great, thanks a lot.Yeah,
I know my hair's on fire,
I know that.Your face is melting, Asshole.
Get the idea, your face is in your lap, babe.
(No, I don't know where your Ravi Shankar tape is, I'm sorry)

Well, I had to get out of that city.
Thought it was bringing me down
Me & my darling young Suzi
Said so long & drove out of town
Driving on acid is easy.
Driving on acid's a breeze
Just keep the car on the highway.
Don't laugh & don't fart & don't sneeze

Well, we got to my house in the country (OK, the country, this is much
better)
The trees were all throbbing & GREEEEN!
Suzi was sure she had cancer.
I was sure I was James Dean
We went up to the lake to go swimming. Down to the lake for a SWIM!
Suzi said, "Water cures cancer."
I asked her to please call me Jim

Well the acid began to wear off,
We stopped three times and then took a nap
A phone call from Bobby awoke us,
It seems there had been a mishap
Mary had gone off to Bellevue
To try to get poor Johnny back
She had gotten as far as St. Vincents
She walked in and went out of whack

Yes acid is usually dangerous.
The mild-mannered can quickly turn mean.
LSD can surely derage us.
Unless you possess thorazine
So the next time you wanna go out there.
When you feel like feeding your head Think twice before dropping acid.
Hold out for mushrooms instead