MOT wants your opinion

[Ozzie]

From what I got from a quik skim, it is the oldies, the younguns and the piss heads that account for most of the accidents.

Younguns real bad, being at fault in nearly all accidents they were involved in, same as old codgers.

Perhaps power limitations for learners (for cars not only bikes), a 2ltr sooped up car is just as dangerous if not more so than a bike over 250. If they did that, and introduced tougher testing old the oldies, that would reduce the deaths for sure.

What sort of limitation is using a bike over 250 anyway? Should be to do with power not engine size, think of how quick off the mark some of those 2 strokes are.

Have a mag at home that paints the international trend, will provide a quote tonight, makes a mockery of our system.

[candor]

Best strategy if a few go is to seperate out when they put you all in groups then u can influence more outcomes. And they elect a scribe and a speaker for each group. Planted scribes seem to "rephrase" what group is saying to try get the mot desired consensus ie agreement with their close ended questions. Try to be scribe therefore.

I am amazed they never told you bikers and that it was an accident u found out - jus cos I stumbled on ya site!

Have to laugh at some of ya' comments on their control freak close ended questions. As they did have 3 that were worse and only yesterday they rephrased it to be 2 questions that allowed for other than the desired responses. Now their heads will be spinning - some guy took awhole day rewriting those q's for each region. But welly ones had been answered so they didnt mess with them dont think.

We think they told noone at akld workshop about website as they in a bit of a stew about the little bit quite negtive feedback already from welly!

[Squeak the Rat]

Candor - whatever your motives, thanks for bringing this to our attention. Hopefully we can get at least some sort of turn out and at least try to make a difference.

[candor]

Jeez - "whatever ur motives!" I'm just passionate about road safety. It and drugs mostly in combination killed all my family and then some friends to boot...so why not just go worry about strangers instead?

They'll probably cancel the workshops once they catch wind you lot have caught wind. Pure evil is how I regard this Govt - u guys say u gotta ride like "cage drivers" r out to get u - the govt is helluva lot worse.

[Squeak the Rat]

Sorry mate, offence was not intended by that remark.

It certainly will be interesting to see their reaction. Not sure if it's going to make a difference but we gotta give it a shot......

[Ozzie]

I'm with squeak, Candor cheers for letting us know, and sorry for your family and co.

Hopefully we can come up with something usefull and these drop kicks will listen to what we say. And, possibly make a difference.

Thanks again.

[ZorsT]

When is the Nelson one?

1 August (Tuesday)
Seifried Vineyard
Cnr State Highway 60 and Redwood Rd
Appleby

5.00 pm -9.00 pm

I'll definatly be there. I can't let this slip by.

[Squeak the Rat]

Good stuff guys. Any one notice on the website forums that they didn't have the dates posted until 3 days after the wellington workshop and 1 day before the auckland one?

Bastards.....

[John Banks]

Yep, I'll be leaving werk early, so as to get there around 5.
4pm at the Autobahn should be about right. Might be a wee bit late, depending on how bad traffic is around Te rapa, but that's no bad thing, arriving late attracts attention

I'll wait at the autobahn in case anyone else is going (and if you're not WHY NOT?)

I'll be there if I can get the bike to start, or if I get the car back.

[Skyryder]

What we need is a signed letter by as many Kbers as possible and sent to the Minister of Transport about this blatent 'lack of consultation.' And also a copy to the media. Anyone want to front up and be spokesman?? Needs someone with 'some' knowledge of biker concerns.

Skyryder

[Wired1]

Yep me too, I just live around the corner. Does this mean we can all get tanked up courtesy of the MoT?

[Jantar]

Could I recommend that at each meeting that Kbers attend, that we make a point of ensuring that we are united in what we say, and don't contradict each other. Also point out that we represent a group of 4900 motorcyclists, and aren't simply there as individuals.

A few simple things to note when speaking to others in this type of group:
Establish your credentials early;
Always make statements with positive outcomes, ie instead of saying "... that won't work because of...", try saying "... maybe, but a better outcome would be achieved if.....";
Use actual data and statistics where available to your advantage;
If you dont have exact data, then say "I believe that..." or "In my opinion...."
Where the opposition use statistics in a misleading manner, ask for the origional data;
Anecdotal evidence should only be used as examples to back up statistical data, it is not evidence in its own right;
Finish on a positive note establishing exactly what outcome you desire.

[Ghost Lemur]

*Bangs head on desk*

I've now got a headache. Not due to surprise, because none of this surprises me. Rather because it's seems to be the way our society (and western - maybe eastern too) is heading.

The sacrificing of "freedom" for safety is virial and infecting all facets of our lives. Not just roading. Travel in general (read a recent "whistleblower" about US air marshals putting knowing innocent civilians on watchlists due to having a bare minimum requirment for monthly reports - sure it doesn't affect us, unless we dare to travel there), ministry of health wanting to mass medicate the population by forcing folic acid to be added to flour/bread, users/consumers rights being ongoingly restricted while media/retail cartel hide behind the so-called "threat from piracy", etc, etc, etc.

On the topic at hand. I'm afraid we're fucked. Plan and simple. We're divided and unorganised.

However there could be light at the end of the tunnel. But it depends on do we have the determination to get organised. To all donate either the necessary time or money to getting organised.

Based in the UK is a group MAG (Motorcycle Action Group). Now unlike our BRONZ, these guys are well organised, focused, and more to the point. THEY"RE GETTING RESULTS.

They've not only been been not only sucessful in the UK but also against the EU. They release there own press releases, get requested to comment on event be media, and generally provide some balance to the heavy handed wantings of the government.

Unfortunately I don't hold out much hope. This isn't the first time this topic has come up in the 3-odd years I've been on this site, and there has yet to be anything done.

Not much help on the organisation side of things. But my membership money is ready and waiting for the time we have a MAG NZ.

[James Deuce]

What we need is a signed letter by as many Kbers as possible and sent to the Minister of Transport about this blatent 'lack of consultation.' And also a copy to the media. Anyone want to front up and be spokesman?? Needs someone with 'some' knowledge of biker concerns.

Skyryder

And that will do what?

You can try and convince yourselves that your Government is geared to listen to its constituents if you want, but the truth is they don't actually give a hoot.

Turn it into a sensational and short-lived news item however and you might at least get 15 minutes of public support. We don't need a copy to the media we need to make it a media item. The current Government has repeatedly proved it has no respect for its constituents and is unlikely to change that attitude when confronted by 20 or 30 incoherent motorcyclists.

[raster]

*Bangs head on desk*

Based in the UK is a group MAG (Motorcycle Action Group). Now unlike our BRONZ, these guys are well organised, focused, and more to the point. THEY"RE GETTING RESULTS.

They've not only been been not only sucessful in the UK but also against the EU. They release there own press releases, get requested to comment on event be media, and generally provide some balance to the heavy handed wantings of the government.

Unfortunately I don't hold out much hope. This isn't the first time this topic has come up in the 3-odd years I've been on this site, and there has yet to be anything done.

Not much help on the organisation side of things. But my membership money is ready and waiting for the time we have a MAG NZ.

Bonz is always open to any help to get to a similar level as MAG which has a for greater Support network than BRONZ. I have only just joined Bronz and was not aware of MAG but will be getting Some pointers from others around the world doing similar things with better results.