Masterton Safe As Workshop - 7 August 11.00am

[Deano]

I can't see any other threads about the Masterton Workshop, but who is keen to attend ?

Hopefully the weather will be fine and we can ride. Otherwise car pooling would be the go.

Could also go over a few of the issues and discuss a few key points to get a consistant approach - perhaps at Breakers (above Grumpy Mole) on Thursday night 8.00pm ?


Venue :

Copthorne Solway
High Street South
Masterton

7 August 11.00am to 3.00pm

[James Deuce]

See you on Thursday.

[Str8 Jacket]

7th August... Next Monday right? Bummer to shorter notice to rearrange meetings for that day, otherwise I would have been keen.

[skelstar]

Sorry guys, I dont know what this 'safe as' thing is about. Can anyone help?

Cheers

[jimbo600]

Yep I'll be there. Weather looks good for Monday so lets ride like cunts over the hill, and then confer about bike safety in Masterton.

http://metvuw.co.nz/forecast/forecas...in&region=nzni

Dunnu if I can make Thur night, but I can do the ride like a cunt thing.

[Deano]

Sorry guys, I dont know what this 'safe as' thing is about. Can anyone help?

Cheers

Who cares, just turn up...we'll brief you on the way.

Actually, there is heaps in here about it - too much - info overload.

In a nutshell:

Workshops are being held across the country to discuss possible road safety initiatives for the future.

They want (to say they have consulted....pffft) feedback from the community about what road safety concerns are paramount, ways to reduce the road toll further, where to focus resources etc.

So we'll see you there then. We need more young, articulate and knowledgable bikers to help have our say. (Just like us mate !! haha)

I just had this e-mailed to me and felt it was quite appropriate.

"In my view, we are in danger of having a wholly disproportionate attitude to the risks we should expect to see as a normal part of life. This is putting pressure on policy making [and] regulatory bodies...to act to eliminate risk in a way that is out of all proportion to the potential damage. The result is a plethora of rules, guidelines, responses to 'scandals' of one nature or another that ends up having utterly perverse consequences.

In responding to such pressures, governments themselves are often attracted to regulatory solutions, both as a tangible demonstration of government concern and because the costs are typically 'off-budget', diffuse and hard to measure. Moreover, each regulatory solution tends to be devised within individual government agencies. Within such policy 'silos', the cumulative impact of regulation across government is poorly understood and rarely taken into account.

In this climate, a 'regulate first, ask questions later' culture appears to have developed. Even where regulatory action is clearly justified, options and design principles that could lessen compliance costs or side-effects appear to be given little consideration. Further, agencies responsible for administering and enforcing regulation have tended to adopt strict and often prescriptive or legalistic approaches, to lessen their own risks of exposure to criticism. This, in turn, has contributed in some areas to excessively defensive and costly actions by business to ensure compliance."

Apparently written by Tony Blair.

[Squeak the Rat]

Written by Gary Banks, Chairman, Regulation Taskforce and Productivity Commission - Australia.


Get in there skelstar, a chance to stick it to the man!

[skelstar]

Im articumalet, not young though.

[Deano]

Im articumalet, not young though.

You're a year younger than me aren't ya so sssshhhhh.

[Jantar]

Having been at the Central Otago one today, allow me to give some advice.

Try to get the KBers spread around as many of the discussion groups as possible.

Have a Kber nominated as scribe for each group. Ensure that all points are written down in a manner as close as possible to what the person raising the point wanted.

De-emphasise speed as being a cause of accidents, but allow that it can affect the outcome of accidents.

Make sure that other accident causing issues are raised. eg fatigue and drug use.

Empasise that the roads are there for ALL users, and that include motorcyclists.

Enjoy the lunch.

[Deano]

Cheers for that info Jantar.

I have a few other issues to raise also.

Last week I tried to find out crash statistics for Rome, where I understand every second person rides a scooter. I was hoping to show that more bikes on the road equals safer drivers and less accidents, in order to negate the theory that more bikes on the road here will result in higher crash stats.

So far I only know of 3 of us going - is anyone else keen ?

I will be taking the cage if its wet, so can offer a lift if anyone needs one.

[jimbo600]

Well give em hell for me then. I can't go now as I am in Napier with work. Bring up the issue of those crap wire barriers. In europe they have to put plastic covers on the wire bit so that bikers aren't cut in two if they hit them.

Also NZ needs to have a better standard of driving, not a slower one. Driving to Napier yesterday was a debacle. People need to learn that the overtaking lane is for overtaking, not cruising at 80kmh. And if you look in your rear view mirror and see 30 cars stacked up behind you for fucks sake pull over. 30 pissed off car drivers cannot be good for road safety. Also if people want the road toll to come down STAY IN YOUR OWN CUNTING LANE!

Tell them to look at Germany for guidance. Better roads, better drivers, better speeds, lower toll.

[cowpoos]

aria will probally go with ya's....

[Squeak the Rat]

Just catching up on the Whangerei thread... Sounds like it would be a good way to discredit the bikers by busting them speeding to or from event and thereby labelling us all as pro-speeders, not genuine safety advocates.

Speed limit in and out.

Give 'em hell.

[jimbo600]

Watching a TV3 thing tonight on the differences between attitudes in generations and an interesting comment was that apart form the baby boomers all generations did not trust the police. Just a thought on what the speed enforcement issue is doing to police PR.