Bloody Effin Revenue Collectors

[merv]

Have had a few stand up arguements with station senior sergeants about the inbalance between policing the roads and policing criminal activity, can't say I've won any yet though.

Good on ya mate!!!

[Big Dog]

when's the last time you heard someone admit to being a bad driver?.

I'm a crap driver, and not a very good rider either.
I know it and acknowledge it.
I reckon it is this knowledge that keeps me coming back.

I also reckon that I am a better rider / driver than 90% of people who's driving I have ever experienced.

Machines are crap at both because of their lack of ability to take a managed risk.

Humans are crap because the can't manage the risk.


I'm sure there are better riders / drivers than me on this site but that does not make them good all the time, or even good.

[Mongoose]

What happened to the principle that if you enforce the law, you are obliged to observe it precisely. Even when your colleagues aren't around.
After all, if it's held that a member of the public can drive within 10 km/h of the speed limit. a Police Officer should not exceed it at all.
Before all you Pleecemen get a rush of blood to the fingers, I will say that nothing has changed in the last 30 odd years. Occupational immmunity was as attractive then as it is now.

That will be why a local cop gave a traveling Insp. a speeding ticket, is it Lou?

[spudchucka]

something we agree on at last.

How the hell did that happen??

[Redstar]

Spud - I have a question for you - how long does a cop have to follow you to assimulate a reading of your speed?

Full details later - right now I am writing a letter.

What about the converse situation? how long can you follow a speeding cop before they can pull you over for speeding?
now I thought that they have to somehow get behind you with light flashing to execute a pull over? in that case don't allow that, by slowing at the same speed as they pull over and remain at the rear of the car or bike at all times?

If they do manage to get behind you they don't have to justify their speed to you because thats the way it is and besides we all know they get late for tea just like us?

However as soon as you stop immediatly advise them that you are exercising your right of citizens arrest for Dangerous driving and you had to speed up to catch them.

OK its Bullshit, but Hey it still begs the question

[Lou Girardin]

As far as policing the roads go from my point of view, I won't give a ticket to someone for something that I would have done myself. Consequently I won't give tickets for doing 11 kph over the limit, (unless you happen to be a burglar, thief or drug dealer, in which case I'll give you what ever tickets I can because you are a low life bottom dweller).

But you admit to travelling at 20 km/h over the limit on occasion and further admit to writing tickets for 14 km/h over.
It also seems that what you consider the offender to be is more important than the circumstances of the offence.
Impressive!

[Redstar]

I support the principle that the General Crims should get hit harder than honest joe public under the same circumstances. They deserve to get a harder time in every respect. the flaw here is how many of the Drug dealing,stealing low life give a monkeys about yet another ticket? "not many if any" so they need to be coaxed gently from there vehicles and severely told off.
"you naughty naughty person you," voice raised slightly " dont you ever do that again" or some thing hard like that! that'll teach um a?

[spudchucka]

But you admit to travelling at 20 km/h over the limit on occasion and further admit to writing tickets for 14 km/h over.
It also seems that what you consider the offender to be is more important than the circumstances of the offence.
Impressive!

Some times my bike will hit 120 on the open road, it will never hit 70 in a 50 zone. I will give people tickets for 64 in a 50 zone, different story in a 100.

Traffic enforcement is a great tool for getting on the case of the regular shit heads who steal and sell drugs. Shutting down the criminal activities that these people are into is more important to me than Joe citizen getting a speeding ticket. As far as I'm cocerned the rules are different for criminals compared to good ordinary people who make a mistake. If you check back or are keeping some record of what I post you will see that I've said that before too.

The circumstances of the offence will determine whether discretion is used or not. The person committing the offence will also have a bearing on whether discretion is used.

Quit being such a nit picking twit.

[spudchucka]

I support the principle that the General Crims should get hit harder than honest joe public under the same circumstances. They deserve to get a harder time in every respect. the flaw here is how many of the Drug dealing,stealing low life give a monkeys about yet another ticket? "not many if any" so they need to be coaxed gently from there vehicles and severely told off.
"you naughty naughty person you," voice raised slightly " dont you ever do that again" or some thing hard like that! that'll teach um a?

Theres a bigger picture than just giving a criminal a traffic fine. Consider this.

Lou is a local butrglar that is responsible for a large percentage of the local crime, (sorry but I just had to use that name). The cops know he is an active crim but can't get the evidence to put him away, (Lou is a cunning old sod). The cops decide they will target Lou in every way possible.

Soon every cop in town knows about Lou and what he is up to. They know where he lives, what he drives, who has mates are, where they live and how he operates. Everytime Lou is seen out and about police stop him. Whenever possible Lou gets tickets and is arrested for any piddle pot offence possible. Lou's a typical crim and has little regard for any law. He quickly collects a lot of tickets and demerit points.

Once he hits 100 points he loses his licence. But Lou doesn't give a shit about having a licence and keeps driving. Its not long before he gets locked up for driving while suspended and his car gets impounded. 28 days later he's back in his car and gets locked uo again. Now he's limited to riding a push bike but won't wear a helmet. Lou gets more tickets for not wearing a helmet, (only $55 but what the hell Lou's a scumbag).

Its not long before Lou has ammassed a huge $$$ value in fines and he has a number of traffic charges pending. The Courts start to notice that Lou has all these unpaid fines and before long the the Court issues a warrant to sieze property in lieu of the unpaid fines.

The bailiffs execute the warrant with police assistance and a large quantity of expensive electronic equipment is taken. Checks on the property later show that the items have been stolen in a number of burglaries that Lou was a suspect for. Lou is charged with burglary, theft and receiving.

While at the address a large hydroponic cannabis growing operation is discovered and Lou gets charged with cultivating and possession for supply.

Police oppose Lou's bail and the Judge has no hesitation in remanding lou in custody, (one more scumbag where he belongs).

Lou is later convicted on a number of burglary, receiving, theft and drugs charges and goes to jail for a good long stretch. All because a bunch of cops were relentless and gave the loser a heap of traffic tickets.

This might sound a little far fetched to some of you but I've been involved in a number of operations that have unfolded just as this scenario.

[Lou Girardin]

As far as I'm cocerned the rules are different for criminals compared to good ordinary people who make a mistake.
The circumstances of the offence will determine whether discretion is used or not. The person committing the offence will also have a bearing on whether discretion is used.
Quit being such a nit picking twit.

Today criminals, tomorrow.............?

[sedge]

I got a ticket yesterday for being a cock, the police do show discretion, he could have given me a lot worse than I got. The last two tickets I've had have been because I was riding like a knob in front of a policeman. Fair enough is my attitude, if I'm being a cock and I don't see the police car then I wouldn't see the car that hits me either so I deserve the ticket... makes sense to me.

I'm starting to think I need to move my irresponsible behaviour to a more appropriate location like Manfield... ahh if only they would reopen the old track at Levin.

Anyway... I was talking to the PC yesterday and he told me about one crash he'd been to where this guy was riding his bike and hit a pole, the bike was split in half. I asked him how the guy was and he said he was split in half too... Must be a fun job being a policeman, I can understand the tickets, they just don't want to try and join you back together later in the day.

Ah well, I'm still in one piece for now...mostly.

Sedge.

[igor]

Some times my bike will hit 120 on the open road, it will never hit 70 in a 50 zone. I will give people tickets for 64 in a 50 zone, different story in a 100.

Traffic enforcement is a great tool for getting on the case of the regular shit heads who steal and sell drugs. Shutting down the criminal activities that these people are into is more important to me than Joe citizen getting a speeding ticket. As far as I'm cocerned the rules are different for criminals compared to good ordinary people who make a mistake. If you check back or are keeping some record of what I post you will see that I've said that before too.

The circumstances of the offence will determine whether discretion is used or not. The person committing the offence will also have a bearing on whether discretion is used.

Quit being such a nit picking twit.

thats two things we agree on in the same thread.

old saying "there is more than one way to skin a cat"

[igor]

Theres a bigger picture than just giving a criminal a traffic fine. Consider this.

Lou is a local butrglar that is responsible for a large percentage of the local crime, (sorry but I just had to use that name). The cops know he is an active crim but can't get the evidence to put him away, (Lou is a cunning old sod). The cops decide they will target Lou in every way possible.

Soon every cop in town knows about Lou and what he is up to. They know where he lives, what he drives, who has mates are, where they live and how he operates. Everytime Lou is seen out and about police stop him. Whenever possible Lou gets tickets and is arrested for any piddle pot offence possible. Lou's a typical crim and has little regard for any law. He quickly collects a lot of tickets and demerit points.

Once he hits 100 points he loses his licence. But Lou doesn't give a shit about having a licence and keeps driving. Its not long before he gets locked up for driving while suspended and his car gets impounded. 28 days later he's back in his car and gets locked uo again. Now he's limited to riding a push bike but won't wear a helmet. Lou gets more tickets for not wearing a helmet, (only $55 but what the hell Lou's a scumbag).

Its not long before Lou has ammassed a huge $$$ value in fines and he has a number of traffic charges pending. The Courts start to notice that Lou has all these unpaid fines and before long the the Court issues a warrant to sieze property in lieu of the unpaid fines.

The bailiffs execute the warrant with police assistance and a large quantity of expensive electronic equipment is taken. Checks on the property later show that the items have been stolen in a number of burglaries that Lou was a suspect for. Lou is charged with burglary, theft and receiving.

While at the address a large hydroponic cannabis growing operation is discovered and Lou gets charged with cultivating and possession for supply.

Police oppose Lou's bail and the Judge has no hesitation in remanding lou in custody, (one more scumbag where he belongs).

Lou is later convicted on a number of burglary, receiving, theft and drugs charges and goes to jail for a good long stretch. All because a bunch of cops were relentless and gave the loser a heap of traffic tickets.

This might sound a little far fetched to some of you but I've been involved in a number of operations that have unfolded just as this scenario.

thats three things we agree on.

i have a story very similiar to spuddys one above and all for the offence of a WOF expired by 1 month and fibbing to me about his name.

it was obvious he was a career criminal so was i gunna take this crap name for a wof expired.

he don't go nowhere until i no his real name.

due to a law change in 1998 u can now arrest if u suspect u are being fibbed to. u no longer have to prove they were fibbing as b4.

[Deano]

Its not long before Lou has ammassed a huge $$$ value in fines and he has a number of traffic charges pending. The Courts start to notice that Lou has all these unpaid fines and before long the the Court issues a warrant to sieze property in lieu of the unpaid fines.

Nathan Bentley from Upper Hutt was recently convicted in court for unpaid fines (boy racer driving offences I understand) totalling $92,000. While he may not be the stereotypical 'scumbag crim', he obviously had no regard for the road laws and continued to offend. What did he get in court - 400 hours of community service and the fine reduced to $7,800 which he has to repay at $30 per week. Perhaps he did not have any assets worth confisgating.

What sort of message does that send to the rest like him ?

Methinks the message is why bother paying your fines, just wait until a court summons and the judge will slap your hand with a wet bus ticket.

When are the courts actually going to use sentencing as a real deterrant ?

[SPman]

When are the courts actually going to use sentencing as a real deterrant ?

I think you'll find, if you look at the overall picture, courts are imposing stiffer sentences. Its just seems to be the media and Joe Stupid, who know little or nothing of the circumstances, etc, who mouth off the continual cry of, "they get away with it! Bring in tougher sentences!"
Its always easy to slag off about perceived injustices that have nothing to do with you! - espec, if you've heard 1 or 2 salacious "facts"

Anyway, when has a sentence ever been a deterrent?