Speed cameras stats, important ammunition for the revenue gathering fight

**mattp** · 11th August 2006, 06:32

Originally Posted by The_Dover

It's all the fucking kiwi's going over there. None of the bastards can drive.

This is funny and a laugh

. But I do agree that my riding has improved a lot more since getting back into bikes after leaving NZ. Also what I remember of the NZ roads there was very little roads as good as the likes of the A24, A29, A272, A49, etc

**Speedracer** · 27th August 2006, 18:59

Originally Posted by Ixion

Or, the simple one,boredom. People drive fast, they feel a bit on edge, pay attention to what their doing. If they perceive they are going slowly they lose focus , start daydreaming, looking at the scenery etc.

I guess I'm a bit guilty of that! Looking out for speed cams keeps you on edge too. Although its a bit ghey when you see them in your rear view mirror cos they were hiding off the road. mumblemumble

mumblemumble

**spudchucka** · 27th August 2006, 20:03

Originally Posted by 23226

All I can say is the numbers dont lie.

Thats funny because they do every time they get quoted by the Govt or the police. As soon as the cops or any other agency quote stats all you hear is how the numbers mean shit all because they can be manipulated this way or that but when they are quoted to prove a point against a Govt agency you get "the numbers don't lie" thrown at you.

**Jantar** · 27th August 2006, 20:17

No, Numbers do not lie, statistics do. Raw numbers will are just that, numbers. Statistics is a method of presenting those numbers in a way that suits whatever argument you are trying to put forward.

**spudchucka** · 27th August 2006, 20:24

When he referred to "the numbers" it was obvious that he was referring to the "statistics" quoted in his first post.

**Finn** · 27th August 2006, 20:26

Spud, take that silly cap off and think for yourself for a change. Ticketing does not reduce the road toll.

**spudchucka** · 28th August 2006, 08:05

Originally Posted by Finn

Spud, take that silly cap off and think for yourself for a change. Ticketing does not reduce the road toll.

Was that what I was saying? I thought this was about how the numbers don't lie?

If you read back through all the posts on this site you might realise that I'm not a supporter of speed cameras.

Try taking your own silly cap off and let go of your need to slag off at a cop at any opportunity.

**Finn** · 28th August 2006, 09:01

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Try taking your own silly cap off and let go of your need to slag off at a cop at any opportunity.

You're onto me. Actually you're the only cop I slag.

Feeeeeeel the love.

**spudchucka** · 28th August 2006, 09:09

Originally Posted by Finn

You're onto me. Actually you're the only cop I slag.

Feeeeeeel the love.

I feel so honoured.

**pritch** · 28th August 2006, 13:15

Originally Posted by spudchucka

As soon as the cops or any other agency quote stats all you hear is how the numbers mean shit all because they can be manipulated this way or that but when they are quoted to prove a point against a Govt agency you get "the numbers don't lie" thrown at you.

Sadly the numbers are all too often manipulated. I do not wish to consider myself a cynic, but where statistics from several Departments (including but by no means limited to the Police) are concerned, I could not regard them other than with suspicion.

One reason given for why speed cameras might actually cause accidents in Britain related to schools. A while back Gatsos were to be placed outside urban schools, the concern was then that drivers would be looking up for cameras and not looking out for little kids.

**spudchucka** · 28th August 2006, 13:32

Originally Posted by pritch008

Sadly the numbers are all too often manipulated. I do not wish to consider myself a cynic, but where statistics from several Departments (including but by no means limited to the Police) are concerned, I could not regard them other than with suspicion.

So Safespeed.org.uk, an organisation that clearly has an agenda it actively pushes, is a completly reliable source of statistics? Smells like bullshit to me.

**classic zed** · 5th September 2006, 13:06

Originally Posted by mattp

This is funny and a laugh

. But I do agree that my riding has improved a lot more since getting back into bikes after leaving NZ. Also what I remember of the NZ roads there was very little roads as good as the likes of the A24, A29, A272, A49, etc

aaahhh the A272 Midhurst to Winchester a nice road indeed, I have travelled it many times when I lived in the UK, sadly a bad accident there a few weeks ago, 2 bikes head on, 2 dead 2 critical

http://www.violetdesigns.co.uk/midhurst.htm

Big debate at the bottom of the web page.

There is also a link to a website with a DVD offer showing an advanced riding video based on the Police driver training, video in a good price but you can get free clips on the site. Downloadable fact sheets too.

http://www.mikewaite.co.uk/

I might just have to order one

**McJim** · 5th September 2006, 13:22

Originally Posted by spudchucka

So Safespeed.org.uk, an organisation that clearly has an agenda it actively pushes, is a completly reliable source of statistics? Smells like bullshit to me.

Seems simply a case of fighting fire with fire - one side of the argument provides statistics then the other side of the argument provides statistics. If neither side provided statistics how would we know if the measures are working or are in fact causing accidents?

The only reason for all this is because we, as a nation speed. And furthermore we, as a nation enjoy speeding - we will therefore, as a nation try to justify speeding at every turn because it provides us with a cause that can unite us and make us feel that warm glow of cameraderie that only a shared cause can give us.

Taking it as a personal affront coz you're a police officer is accepting abuse that wasn't aimed at you - very big of you but not very worthwhile.

I speed from time to time - but haven't been caught...yet. It's a risk we take when we're prepared to pay the price. If you're not prepared to pay the price then my advice is don't speed. Also every time I go back to the UK I effectively have a back up to having my drivers licence suspended coz I can still use my UK licence for a year after each arrival. Cool.

**scumdog** · 5th September 2006, 14:22

Originally Posted by 23226

All I can say is the numbers dont lie.

Trying to extrapolate the whys from the stats is another exercise altogether.

Bottom line is IF the government is interested in really reducing injuries this report should be brought to their attention.

Maybe the figures would be more worser if it were not for the speed camers??