Private vs public schooling?

[SimJen]

Yeah problem is I probably can't afford to send my daughter to the local private school. $16k term or whatever. I'd prefer to keep em stupid and buy a new 600 every year instead

[BuFfY]

So what would you say if I said that students in private schools get a better education?

[Phurrball]

Buffy -

I was in the hospital waiting for an appointment today reading about the very same. It turned out when I looked that the public/private (primary)school article was in a 2003 issue of Metro Magazine - a lengthy article with some interesting ideas in it. Look it up at the library - the title was something alliterative with 'Polly' in it - maybe 'Perfecting polly' or suchlike - was the cover story, young girl with chalk-board wings in the background...you'll know what I mean if you see it.

Hope that helps - apparently bright kids may be better at a low declile school - big fish, small pond idea according to the authors...

[BuFfY]

Buffy -

I was in the hospital waiting for an appointment today reading about the very same. It turned out when I looked that the public/private (primary)school article was in a 2003 issue of Metro Magazine - a lengthy article with some interesting ideas in it. Look it up at the library - the title was something alliterative with 'Polly' in it - maybe 'Perfecting polly' or suchlike - was the cover story, young girl with chalk-board wings in the background...you'll know what I mean if you see it.

Hope that helps - apparently bright kids may be better at a low declile school - big fish, small pond idea according to the authors...

Haha yeah that is what I am basing my essay on! Called 'Positioning Polly' -A very interesting read!
What I have to do is make a statement/issue and then argue for and against it so I was curious as to what others thought, our class has had so many arguments about it!!

[The_Dover]

It's got fuck all to do with whether you pay for an education or not, it's the value placed on that education and the awareness of what you can achieve with it that is the key.

Even the shittiest of state (ie not private) schools still have the same curriculum and opportunities, so what if the facilities aren't as flash? So what if the hundred coons in your year aren't interested? I went to pretty basic school with a bunch of fucking inbred farm boys (some may have been girls but hard to tell) who were more interested in sheep and tractors but because my dad made it clear that if I didn't get decent school qualifications I'd be a waste of space (hang on?) and that he would not support me then the onus was on me to produce the goods.

I went to uni with a load of public school boys who probably had daddy pay for their grades cos they sure as shit couldn't even wipe their own arses and I for one would hate to have grown up steeped in the elitism and wankery that exists in public schools.

Educate your kids before they even start school so they know what the fuck they are there for.

Oh yeah, and I used to live next door to a bunch of Dilworth Old Boys. What a bunch of chutney ferrets. Singing fag songs at christmas. Fuck that shit.

[Bloody Mad Woman (BMW)]

Private. I attended a private school throughout. It was better education and emphasis on learning - also discipline (I received quite a bit of that - usually after my lunchtime antics) and respect was instilled in us (one wouldn't even mutter backchat to the teacher). Two things lacking in society today. I had my partner's children every 2nd weekend (about 10 years ago). They went to a public school. At the age of 6 the girl could not spell her name out loud or even write it very well. Couldn't read a simple sentence. (OK some of this was laziness on the mother's behalf). The teacher sent a note home explaining the homework. I sent it back with a note saying it would be much appreciated if the teacher could write english properly so at least one could understand what she was trying to convey, spell correctly - and surely they should be setting a good example. I could not believe how poor the standard of education was! Private for their formative years and then discuss with teenager re college and what best suits their style or needs.

[SwanTiger]

Actually I just remembered one of the schools I went to, it was run in a Church by Church members for "delinquint" children.

They never forced religion onto you, but fuck that has to be one of the best schools I went to. Lots of opportunities and freedom, aside from that I remember the best part was the fact everyone had to take turns at cooking lunch.

Every day, nicely cooked meals. That was a brilliant school.

And it was 200 meters away from a Bakery with the best pies in town.

I went to another school similar to that in Omaha, but basically we sat around all day playing pool and went fishing.

I still think Public school is better than Private school for many reasons.

[SimJen]

What a bunch of chutney ferrets. Singing fag songs at christmas. Fuck that shit.

Nice
Thats one way of putting it....

[Ixion]

I believe all the best British spies were educated at Eton.
Private school perhaps???

Harrow. It was Harrow. Get it right. Eton is full of rich grocers' sons , no good at all as spies. And parvenu cads. Aptly, Mr Fleming made his fictional spy, James Bond, an old Etonian.

Wyhamists do not have to spy. They just ask an appropriate relation for any desired information.

[crazybigal]

I did both, private was good, i didnt do any better than when i was a public as far as my grades went. (you have to want to be there)
private offer beter teacher student ratio and public offers better days off at the cricket getting pissed ratio!
When i was at private school it was full of rich kids that had been dumped there cos their parents didnt want to deal with them and their crap.
So it was full of little shits.!
If your going to send your kids to a private school, send them to a co-ed school.

[Rossi Gal]

I cant say one is better than the other..and to be quite frank I don't think most people can(they try, but don't know 100%, its all opinion based). I myself was home schooled by my parents until I was 13, until they split..it was a little harder after that so we signed up for correspondence. that was fine also. My older brother and younger sister also did the same. We had no issues what so ever with reading, writing etc. By that stage I was now half at my dads on the farm and half in town with mum. I couldn't do the same activities etc in there and didn't know where else to make new friends. So my dad suggested I should go to school for a bit(meet kids your age etc etc) so I did. I went to a public school in Hamilton, some(most) say it is one of the worst schools in Hamilton. Which again is opinion based, over my time there, every year when the results came out for the schools in the Waikato, my school was, if not #1, always a high placer, beating the likes of very renowned Private schools. I entered school last term of 4th form. got excellence in 7 subjects straight off. I stayed for 5th and 6th form. Which I also did well at, I found personally by the time I left, just being in the school environment changed a lot at how I looked and education. I came out not enjoying it as much as I had growing up. Luckily it didn't effect me too much, as I remember how I was raised and the morals etc I was already taught. But I know for a fact when I have children, they wont be attending a school. unless they choose to at a later stage. But what ever option is chosen, 99% of how the children learn, how they view things and even how they will turn out is hugely dependent on how the parents have started that learning process in the very early stages.

just my 2c anyway.

[sAsLEX]

If you really love your kids, you won't send them to a Public school. If you do, they will come home stupid everyday. They might be able to speak maori and know that you should always wear your seat belt but that's pretty much it.

Isn't there a good private school up your way? Go and visit them and see the difference for yourself.

Depends on the school mate the only maorii i know is "chur bro and the like"

Did just fine at a public school, New Plymouth Boys', got one of them A bursary things they have done away with now, and am in final year engineering so hardly a terrible education through public funded means. oh yeah Aunty Helen has picked up the fees for the degree as well, so you dont need to pay to get a decent edu.

And if the ratios are poor teacher to student etc dont let your kid be drawn to the back with the drop outs and loosers near the front to actually learn shit and have the oppurtunity to argue opps I mean ask the teacher questions

[rogson]

The biggest difference is that private schools can largely ignore/avoid the PC and touchy/feely crap forced on public schools - and the kids are probably more realistic about life in the big bad competitive world for it. There are a few exceptions, like Auckland Grammar that has the history, record and community backing to thumb its nose at most of it.

[crashe]

Buffy - I did the public school thingee until they asked me to leave at age 14...

Education back then was so different from todays curriculum.
Back then if you did something or even did nought, the teacher could thump you or whack you around the head or the hands.... and no questions asked.
We learnt in a classroom or 40 in primary school... But somehow we all learnt to read and write and do our sums... (the 3 r's)

Today in public school you cant do a thing to the little darlings if they swear the crap out of you. No more then 24 to a class if they can help it...


As to Private schooling I cant answer that one... I do a couple of people who were educated as a private school and they turned out ok...

All the best in your assignment.

[Indiana_Jones]

I'd say the most important thing about a school is the environment it provides, cause' I'm enjoying my time at 'New Zealand Maritime School', I think it's just being around like minded people makes it fun =D

If you would like to ship your kids off to NZMS then here is a link for you

http://www.manukau.ac.nz/departments/maritime/index.htm

-Indy