Another cop bashing thread

**spudchucka** · 11th August 2006, 00:01

Originally Posted by renegade master

If the witness gets anything wrong (try the color of the bike....) his evidence is then void.

Anything wrong? Does this mean that a colour blind person is void from ever giving evidence because they might not be able to determine the colour of the vehicle involved. The colour of the vehicle means stuff all, especially at night under those orange lights, paint colours never appear as they actually are. Picking holes in a witnesses evidence doesn't void their evidence unless they are proven to have told a great big bunch of lies, cross examination simply raises levels of doubt. The judge or jury will decide on the witnesses credibility but it doesn't mean that their evidence is chucked because they got one fact wrong.

**spudchucka** · 11th August 2006, 00:03

Originally Posted by inlinefour

I guess your an expert in that field also dyna?

Just like you're an expert on police matters?

**inlinefour** · 11th August 2006, 00:19

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Just like you're an expert on police matters?

But a spade is a spade and I know that within the MHS if something goes amiss it is investigated and all necessary steps are taken to try to avoid a repeat. Maybe you guys could follow our lead and help yourselfs gain the respect back from the NZ public?

**inlinefour** · 11th August 2006, 00:22

Originally Posted by Virago

Why do you feel the need to spray venomous personal abuse at a fellow KBer? You're out of line mate - grow up.

More to do with the organisation. I consider myself told off and apologise to Dyna.

**spudchucka** · 11th August 2006, 00:26

Originally Posted by inlinefour

But a spade is a spade and I know that within the MHS if something goes amiss it is investigated and all necessary steps are taken to try to avoid a repeat. Maybe you guys could follow our lead and help yourselfs gain the respect back from the NZ public?

Aren't you supposed to put "PT" at the end of these sort of posts?

**inlinefour** · 11th August 2006, 00:28

Originally Posted by Dynamytus50

We do take the steps needed to avoid a repeat though.

Admitting to the problem is half of it, doing something is the other half. I was dumb founded when I read that the Police are making some sort of pubic forum for everyone to have their say. However I then read further and it was made to sound that all they really wanted to know was what to name the Police in future?

**inlinefour** · 11th August 2006, 00:29

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Aren't you supposed to put "PT" at the end of these sort of posts?

Because its actually something that has been happening for along time. There are alot of external forces in NZ that are making sure the MHS are doing it too...

**spudchucka** · 11th August 2006, 00:32

Originally Posted by inlinefour

Admitting to the problem is half of it, doing something is the other half. I was dumb founded when I read that the Police are making some sort of pubic forum for everyone to have their say. However I then read further and it was made to sound that all they really wanted to know was what to name the Police in future?

They are reviewing the Police Act, its going to be re-wrtten and they are asking for public submissions. Its called democracy and apparently thats our system of government, they ask you what you want and then they go ahead and do whatever they feel like despite what the public asked for. Look out for the day that they re-hash the mental health act!

**inlinefour** · 11th August 2006, 00:34

Originally Posted by spudchucka

They are reviewing the Police Act, its going to be re-wrtten and they are asking for public submissions. Its called democracy and apparently thats our system of government, they ask you what you want and then they go ahead and do whatever they feel like despite what the public asked for. Look out for the day that they re-hash the mental health act!

They are allways reviewing the MHA and looking for ways to improve it. You might be surprised by just how much this is done.

**spudchucka** · 11th August 2006, 00:34

Originally Posted by inlinefour

Because its actually something that has been happening for along time. There are alot of external forces in NZ that are making sure the MHS are doing it too...

Like Dyna said, you have no idea how much of this already goes on with the police.

**spudchucka** · 11th August 2006, 00:35

Originally Posted by inlinefour

They are allways reviewing the MHA and looking for ways to improve it. You might be surprised by just how much this is done.

Doesn't make any difference to me when I lock up a nutter, the DAO and MHS still muck us around the same as they always have.

**inlinefour** · 11th August 2006, 00:37

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Like Dyna said, you have no idea how much of this already goes on with the police.

But how much of it goes public? When it occurs in the MHS is it allways published in a public forum in a attemt to create some form of transpariency and make the public aware of whats actually going on. Then they create legislation to put the changes into law for all health professionals to follow.

**inlinefour** · 11th August 2006, 00:40

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Doesn't make any difference to me when I lock up a nutter, the DAO and MHS still muck us around the same as they always have.

Stigmatism at its finest, it works both ways does it not? I don't know how its done in your neck of the woods but I'd like to think we get aong well with the local Police as they are always there, when we REALLY need them and thats not that often.