Another cop bashing thread

**spudchucka** · 11th August 2006, 00:45

Originally Posted by inlinefour

Stigmatism at its finest, it works both ways does it not? I don't know how its done in your neck of the woods but I'd like to think we get aong well with the local Police as they are always there, when we REALLY need them and thats not that often.

Thats the case down my way too, when MHS services need the police we are there, no questions asked. However, when we have a "client" that needs their help its a case of we have to baby sit the person for four hours while the DAO stuff around only to turn up eventually and send the person back out on the street to fend for themselves.

**inlinefour** · 11th August 2006, 00:49

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Thats the case down my way too, when MHS services need the police we are there, no questions asked. However, when we have a "client" that needs their help its a case of we have to baby sit the person for four hours while the DAO stuff around only to turn up eventually and send the person back out on the street to fend for themselves.

I'm getting the impression that you think that anyone with a mental health diagnosis should be dumped in a psychiatric ward. Is that not saying that those with past convitions should be charged again for the same offence?
If there are grounds to keep them in hospital, you'll find they are indeed admitted, however if there are not then its quite fair that they be returned into society. Just like someone who has been taken in for questioning, if they are found innocent, then they should also be released back into society don't you think?

**Lou Girardin** · 11th August 2006, 08:10

Originally Posted by Dynamytus50

If your not happy with that go tell Helen to give them more funding instead of winging on here. I'm sure she will listen to you...

No, we've tried that. It's time you cops grow some balls, not let your bosses say you have enough cops.

**Lou Girardin** · 11th August 2006, 08:14

Originally Posted by Dynamytus50

Er as i said before we prosecute when we know we have a case. In this case the witnesses conflicted with what the rider says. I dont really know how much more straight forward it can be.....

Read Jantars post for Christ's sake. Witnesses mean diddly when you have physical evidence.
This was one lazy bloody cop, and it sounds like there's too many of them around.
And spud, I have advised him to take it further, but not many people are as bolshie as me. That's why you guys get away with this shit.
I would still have charged him with careless,
A/ So that it gets to court.
B/ So that he can't say he did stop and give way.

**scumdog** · 11th August 2006, 08:16

Originally Posted by inlinefour

Your welcome.

So whats the point of having a law or so called Police...

I'm really starting to think that the Police are being run like a business trying to make a profit by raping the public of New Zealand. Well if the local cuntsables are not going to prosecute in this instance, then what fucking right do orificers in the Poolice have to expect the general public to obey the law??? Two faced cunts are too lazy to uphold the law and prosecute, just because its too hard??? FFS!!! And dynapiggy wonders why he got a red rep...

Hmm, this man seems to know it all, not bad for a 34 year old!
IL4 for Commisioner!

**scumdog** · 11th August 2006, 08:21

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

Read Jantars post for Christ's sake. Witnesses mean diddly when you have physical evidence.
This was one lazy bloody cop, and it sounds like there's too many of them around.
And spud, I have advised him to take it further, but not many people are as bolshie as me. That's why you guys get away with this shit.
I would still have charged him with careless,
A/ So that it gets to court.
B/ So that he can't say he did stop and give way.

Would that we had 'too many of them' - lazy or not.

But driver should have at least got (as previously mentioned) a Fails to Keep Left ticket, easy to prove and puts the guilt in his lap for any insurance claim.

**spudchucka** · 11th August 2006, 09:30

Originally Posted by inlinefour

I'm getting the impression that you think that anyone with a mental health diagnosis should be dumped in a psychiatric ward. Is that not saying that those with past convitions should be charged again for the same offence?
If there are grounds to keep them in hospital, you'll find they are indeed admitted, however if there are not then its quite fair that they be returned into society. Just like someone who has been taken in for questioning, if they are found innocent, then they should also be released back into society don't you think?

No. What I'm saying is that when the MHS people need our help we are there when called upon, its always a priority one job so we don't have the option of simply turning up when we feel like it. But when we call for their help its usually a long wait nursemaiding someone that really has no place being in a police cell only to find that the people you called for help with that person aren't any help at all.

Its not for me to say whether a person needs to be hospitalised, (although I know crazy when I see it), but the amount of crazy people that get turned back out onto the streets is staggering.

**spudchucka** · 11th August 2006, 09:32

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

And spud, I have advised him to take it further, but not many people are as bolshie as me.

Good, can you please keep on his back so that he does take it further and let us know what happens with it.

**inlinefour** · 11th August 2006, 10:11

Originally Posted by scumdog

Hmm, this man seems to know it all, not bad for a 34 year old!
IL4 for Commisioner!

No thanks and I doubt that I know it all either.

**Virago** · 11th August 2006, 10:40

Originally Posted by inlinefour

More to do with the organisation. I consider myself told off and apologise to Dyna.

Good man - although I still don't understand why you are directing your anger towards the front line officers, suggesting that they "grow some balls", and change the system from within.

The parallels with your own line of work are quite notable, with the problems of the public perception of the mental health system being well known.

The public health system as a whole, works within an ever thinly-stretched financial budget, and the patients are simply "re-prioritised" to suit the budget available. The surgical waiting lists get long and longer - the solution - reprioritise and remove people from the list - problem solved!

The mental health system is no different, with the number of psychiatric beds adjusted to suit a budget, and the patients "re-classified" to suit the facilities available.

The result - many mentally ill people, without the necessary life skills to care for themselves, simply dumped in the community, with little or no support.

And who ends up dealing with these people, when their social inadequacies become a problem? - The Police.

But hey - that's not your fault. You don't set the financial goals, and adjust your services to suit. You simply get on with your job, which is to provide the best level of care that you can.

I have a great deal of respect for those who work with the mentally ill, while having concern about the faceless bureauocracy that decides on the level of service provided.

I also have respect for front-line police officers - so should you.

**lb99** · 11th August 2006, 10:47

heres a question for scumdog et al.....,last night I saw the cage that I just sold pulled up by the red and blues, so I waited until said cop had left and went over to the driver to give him shit about how I owned the car for 4 years and never got pulled once, anyway it turns out that he got done for rego, and seatbelt(which he swears he was wearing) law breaker, fair enough, but the reason the officer gave him for pulling him in the first place was that he hesitated too long at the last roundabout.
WTF? is there a time limit?, theres nothing about that in the road code, he probably was taking it easy cos there was a cop up his date, if he had just hammered it into the next convenient gap (like I woulda done) then he probably would have got done for unneccisary acceleration, why didn't the officer just state the truth like, I pulled you over because your car looks dodgy(which it does) or I pulled you over to check you out, why use overcaution as an excuse to pull someone?
I'm sorta ok with the quota thing, after all if they pull you and everythings legit then what can they ticket you for?, also what happens if an officer pulls 200 cars in a week and every single one is un ticketable, then what happens to the cop? is he/she penalised because road users are finally obeying the road rules?, thats not fair, the next step will be "I stopped you because your tail light is broken"
"no its not"
crunch "yes it is, heres your ticket"

**race me!!!!** · 11th August 2006, 10:52

this is just hear say but aparently your only allowed to around a round about 7 times legally??? is it true spudchucka????

**spudchucka** · 11th August 2006, 11:02

Originally Posted by lb99

heres a question for scumdog et al.....,last night I saw the cage that I just sold pulled up by the red and blues, so I waited until said cop had left and went over to the driver to give him shit about how I owned the car for 4 years and never got pulled once, anyway it turns out that he got done for rego, and seatbelt(which he swears he was wearing) law breaker, fair enough, but the reason the officer gave him for pulling him in the first place was that he hesitated too long at the last roundabout.
WTF? is there a time limit?, theres nothing about that in the road code, he probably was taking it easy cos there was a cop up his date, if he had just hammered it into the next convenient gap (like I woulda done) then he probably would have got done for unneccisary acceleration, why didn't the officer just state the truth like, I pulled you over because your car looks dodgy(which it does) or I pulled you over to check you out, why use overcaution as an excuse to pull someone?
I'm sorta ok with the quota thing, after all if they pull you and everythings legit then what can they ticket you for?, also what happens if an officer pulls 200 cars in a week and every single one is un ticketable, then what happens to the cop? is he/she penalised because road users are finally obeying the road rules?, thats not fair, the next step will be "I stopped you because your tail light is broken"
"no its not"
crunch "yes it is, heres your ticket"

In reality the cop doesn't need a reason to pull any vehicvle over, (as in the vehicle has been in volved in an offence). The cop shouldn't make up reasons, he should just say I pulled you over to check your licence, vehicle reg, WOF, etc.

Personally I'd like to see the day come that cops aren't writing tickets because of drivers obeying the rules. I don't have a high ticket count, never have, but I put through a lot of arrests on other matters and I always have a fairly heavy case load. So when the boss hauls me in over poor traffic performance I just ask him to look at my general case load, my arrests, my time sheets and give him my very large pile of notebooks to have a browse through. I explain that I target traffic when I have my own case load under control and deal with any traffic offences that I witness while patrolling. So far I've never had any problems with this approach and haven't yet had to smash out anyones tail lights.