Intro to User Infractions

**onearmedbandit** · 8th October 2006, 09:22

Read post #69 Skyryder. And other larger bike forums I frequent take the piss and have plenty of humour, but none of this childish personal attack bullshit that we have here.

**Kickaha** · 8th October 2006, 09:45

Originally Posted by Skyryder

But it was self regulatory.

It hasn't ever been self regulating, I doubt you have any idea what amount of time and effort some of the mods put into this site and defusing some of the disputes between members

And in return sometimes they have to put up with abusive phone calls and threats of violence just because someone doesn't think the rules should apply to them and they would rather spout off about "PC bullshit and censorship blah blah blah" as an excuse for their piss poor behaviour

Most other forums I belong to would have seen a permanent ban for several of the main troublemakers here, Spankme is quite lenient in what he allows

**Finn** · 8th October 2006, 10:30

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

Read post #69 Skyryder. And other larger bike forums I frequent take the piss and have plenty of humour, but none of this childish personal attack bullshit that we have here.

But none of those sites are in NZ. We're dufferunt mate. We're kuwi's und we call a spade a fucken cunt.

**inlinefour** · 8th October 2006, 10:48

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

Read post #69 Skyryder. And other larger bike forums I frequent take the piss and have plenty of humour, but none of this childish personal attack bullshit that we have here.

Some people here at times preform like trained seals believing that everything is just a personal attack when if they had some form of sense of humor, they'd be handing it back and having a laugh. Like Finn said, this is NZ, not the rest of the world, however there are plenty in NZ who seem to think that NZ should follow the rest of the worlds lead? I agree that personal attacks are not acceptable, however too many times I have been talking about a post or an opinion and some moron has taken it as some sort of personal attack, blown it out of preportion and spat the dummy. Yes, we are aware of my past, but thats not what I'm talking about. I'm a tad concerned also that if your labelled as a shit stirrer, your immediately judged for it for the rest of time and everything you post is viewed with that in mind. I think everyone just needs to harden up, if you run the place like a kindy, don't be surprised if its treated like one...

edit: this is not a personal attack on anyone's character, posts or opinion and to be treated as such. Fark should I have this disclaimer on my sig there days???

**onearmedbandit** · 8th October 2006, 11:10

Speaking for myself I don't give two hoots about whoevers history on the site. I think without exception everyone contributes to this site in a positive manner at some stage, you for example have been very supportive of helping other members out who are in need. But when posts are counterproductive to the site they will be dealt with.

Another point I'd like to clear up is that we are not trying to emulate other sites in the way we deal with problems. What you will find however is that a lot of the methods will be similar as they are proven to work. I belong to one of the largest motorcycle forums on the net, and it too went through exactly the same shit this site is experiencing. They dealt with it with heavy moderation. Guess what, the site became stronger. There is still plenty of piss-taking, humour and light hearted banter there, but almost no need for heavy moderation now because everyone knows what is acceptable and what isn't. The site has matured for a lack of better word.

The infraction system is here to stay. Like it or loathe it. Either deal with it or don't log on, it's that simple. I don't want to see anyone here leave because of it, but if they choose too it's their choice. The site will continue regardless.

**inlinefour** · 8th October 2006, 11:25

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

Speaking for myself I don't give two hoots about whoevers history on the site. I think without exception everyone contributes to this site in a positive manner at some stage, you for example have been very supportive of helping other members out who are in need. But when posts are counterproductive to the site they will be dealt with.

Another point I'd like to clear up is that we are not trying to emulate other sites in the way we deal with problems. What you will find however is that a lot of the methods will be similar as they are proven to work. I belong to one of the largest motorcycle forums on the net, and it too went through exactly the same shit this site is experiencing. They dealt with it with heavy moderation. Guess what, the site became stronger. There is still plenty of piss-taking, humour and light hearted banter there, but almost no need for heavy moderation now because everyone knows what is acceptable and what isn't. The site has matured for a lack of better word.

The infraction system is here to stay. Like it or loathe it. Either deal with it or don't log on, it's that simple. I don't want to see anyone here leave because of it, but if they choose too it's their choice. The site will continue regardless.

I don't think I'd want to be a mod either with whats going on. I think I'll leave it at that and move on. Peace.

**Ixion** · 8th October 2006, 11:52

One very big difference between forums of the sort you instance, and Kiwibiker is what is displayed right at the top of the screen .

"A site for all New Zealand motorcyclists".

Now, if you include "all" New Zealand motorcyclists, you are going to get a very wide cross section.

And not ALL New Zealand motorcyclists consider motorcycling to begin and end with sprotsbikes. Some actually prefer crusiers. Some even ride scooters. Some go so far as to have other interests beyond who got their knee down where, and who pulled the longest wheelie.

The forums you instance are , I'm picking , much more specific. And there is a part of KB that thinks that "all" word shouldn't be there. Or, think it should be there because whoever isn't a sprotsbike rider isn't really a motorcyclist, maybe. Inclusion is a hard thing for many people to cope with - they prefer their world to contain only people like themsleves.

The infraction system, like all rule systems, is neither good nor bad in itself. If used fairly , to set limits to behaviour that make the board a bad place for "All" New Zealand motorcyclists , then it is a good thing. (Incidentally, one of the best sites I know, has just that as its only rule -'Don't make the board a bad place')

If used as a weapon, to single out those who for one reason or other are "out of favour", or to "get rid" of those whose motorcycling doesn't fit a certain specification , then it is a bad thing.

However, at the end of the day, it is only the Internet. Life, and the site will indeed go on. Whether it is the *same* site may be another matter. And whether, if it is not, that is a good or bad thing, will obviously depend on individual viewpoints.

I too have seen this sort of thing on many forums. I have belonged (and technically still do belong: though I seldom visit, and then just for a brief look ) to at least a dozen where it has happened. The site has been "taken over" by a clique. Those who disagree are "encouraged to leave" (usually in much the terms you present). The sites go on, and doubtless much to the satisfaction of the remaining members.

The road goes on regardless of what happens on the Internet.

**onearmedbandit** · 8th October 2006, 12:02

Sure one of the sites I make mention of is a sportsbike site, but it caters for all tastes with off-road and cruiser sections for example. And there will always be clashes between the different styles, but these sites (and by that I mean the members) handle it in a much less destructive manner that what we see here.

**scumdog** · 8th October 2006, 12:12

[QUOTE=onearmedbandit;779144
The infraction system is here to stay. Like it or loathe it. Either deal with it or don't log on, it's that simple. I don't want to see anyone here leave because of it, but if they choose too it's their choice. The site will continue regardless.[/QUOTE]

That sums it up perfectly, good one!!

**Skyryder** · 8th October 2006, 12:13

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

Read post #69 Skyryder. And other larger bike forums I frequent take the piss and have plenty of humour, but none of this childish personal attack bullshit that we have here.

So who determines what's the difference a piss take and the childish personal attack bullshit.

From where I am some of my posts could be atributed as being both.

This site has an army of moderators. And why? because there are so many rules and they keep changing all the time.

There needs only to be two responses.

1 If you don't like the poster use the IGNORE BUTTON

2 Behave yourself (Skyryder) or whoever you are or it's off to the SIN BIN.

It's all so simple.

All this deleting posts shifting posts to the 'politically correct' forum etc is unnessecary.

At the end of the day OAB is let a thread takes it 'natural' course and if a bit of bullshit, personal attacks or other kinds of 'how's your father' gets into the discussion so be it.

Skyryder

**Skyryder** · 8th October 2006, 12:29

Originally Posted by Kickaha

It hasn't ever been self regulating, I doubt you have any idea what amount of time and effort some of the mods put into this site and defusing some of the disputes between members

And in return sometimes they have to put up with abusive phone calls and threats of violence just because someone doesn't think the rules should apply to them and they would rather spout off about "PC bullshit and censorship blah blah blah" as an excuse for their piss poor behaviour

Most other forums I belong to would have seen a permanent ban for several of the main troublemakers here, Spankme is quite lenient in what he allows

When I first started posting there was no Sin Bin. The site was self regulatory in as much as no kind of 'punishment' was meted out. I amwell aware of some of the kind of stuff that went on behind the scenes. No excuse for it, none at all.

But what makes this or should I say 'use' to make this forum so exciting is from the 'troublemakers.' Those that calls, as Finn so correctly says, as spade is a cunt. There's some realy good humour goes on with the 'troublemakers,' that makes this site so unique. And it's got fucked up because some can't handle it.

Skyryder

**scumdog** · 8th October 2006, 13:00

Originally Posted by Skyryder

When I first started posting there was no Sin Bin. The site was self regulatory in as much as no kind of 'punishment' was meted out. I amwell aware of some of the kind of stuff that went on behind the scenes. No excuse for it, none at all.

But what makes this or should I say 'use' to make this forum so exciting is from the 'troublemakers.' Those that calls, as Finn so correctly says, as spade is a cunt. There's some realy good humour goes on with the 'troublemakers,' that makes this site so unique. And it's got fucked up because some can't handle it.

Skyryder

I thought early on there WAS a sin=bin type arrangement? Like back in 2003-2004.

And some 'troublemakers' are just wanking prats full of their own juvenile bullshit self importance and spouting pre-pubescent 'humour', that form of 'unique' I can do without.

Still, they make the rest of us look good.

**WINJA** · 8th October 2006, 13:13

Originally Posted by scumdog

I thought early on there WAS a sin=bin type arrangement? Like back in 2003-2004.

And some 'troublemakers' are just wanking prats full of their own juvenile bullshit self importance and spouting pre-pubescent 'humour', that form of 'unique' I can do without.

Still, they make the rest of us look good.

THERE WAS BLAKAMIN SENT ME THERE FOR A MONTH THE CUNT AND THEN HE FUCKED OFF HIMSELF.

HEY SCUMMY WANNA HELP ME FIX MY ROOF