Cmon guys, Get Biker Wise!

[Kwaka-Kid]

Hey guys, this is just a general thread to bring some attention to the recent ride with 2 acc's in it both involving 250 riders without much experience (from what ive heard) http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ighlight=small

I hate to be the bitching nana' or whatever but its the way i think and the way i seem to ride too!

To get into it i personally think more could have been done at the recent "SMALL BIKES" ride organised for sunday just gone. I reckon had i of been in that ride and up amoungst the front runners i couldnt bring myself to think that i wasnt partially responsible for the off's of the riders. When there is a ride esp. when its organised as a small/slow ride or what have you and involving a number of newer riders i think some of us more experienced (yeah yeah i know, hardly me!) could go along and pace ourselves amoungest the group of newer riders and possibly just ahead to show them some lines etc without blasting into the distance leaving them to feel like they really need to gas it to keep up and pressure them into riding outside there capabilities. This doesnt mean they are not responsible for their own actions. However i think that anyone who doesnt agree with the statement before the last just cant remember their more youthful years!
Been there, Done that, not so long ago and so now all i wanted to contribute was this thread to express and opinion and see if there was much other support and/or some following through of the ideas in one of the next rides!:spudwhat:

Shade and i went for our own true-slow ride up to kaukoppakoppa(sp. bad!) via old north/peak roads instead and i had a ball of a time sitting behind him the whole way a) working on some of my techniques/apexing and also from observing his riding, feeling like i had something positive to contribute on the discussion of riding/his/mine afterwards (hes only been riding 6 odd months).

Yeah maybe im just harping on now! but just saying i could still have a really enjoyable time at a pace that could hardly earn me a ticket nor a repair bill!

Hope this doesnt rustle too many feathers of the big chooks (meant in a totally non insulting way!) but possibly helps make the next ride safer! - This all just started after i thought shit, if it were ME on that ride only a year or so ago, and i had of come off not only would my old man have kicked my arse (regarless if it was broken from the acc!) but i wouldnt have been alowed to show up to any KB events for the rest of my parentally guided life! (damn, 18 now and it still seems that way, how much longer mummy?!)

[Kwaka-Kid]

ohh and just as an extra id like to say i went for a quick paced ride with TS on sunday too, and FECKING HELL!!! Lookout my minor reputation, HERE COMES THE TRUE UP AND COMMING TRACK-CHAMP!. TS if you can ride half as quick as you did then shit me im sure youll do well on the track! just stay safe dude and make sure you feel comfortable with the speeds you run into corners, id hate to see you never make it to the track due to altercations with cateyes/rocks/cars/trees/anything else that comes across your path with that pace! (on a bloody 150!! carving up).

[Firefight]

I'll put my hand up with you Logan, and say I agree,

Firefight.

[Motoracer]

Excellent! You'r spot on KK! I was thinking of saying something along these lines after all the bins but I didn't get around to it.

[Andrew]

See mate what did I tell ya. You're reputation is getting even better. A lot of younger KB'ers look up to you their role model so you're doing well.

[cheetor]

I can definitly Say that this is a good idea
as a 250 rider, on a new bike, and inexperianced I found it VERY hard to keep up, and freaked out on at least three corners (went WAYYYY to deep under braking) evrn thoygh teh group I was with was going 'slow'
I ended up totaly lost on my first ride, and ended up riding alone on 30km of winding dirt road

So come on guys, We were all Beginners once lets have some support

[Motoracer]

ohh and just as an extra id like to say i went for a quick paced ride with TS on sunday too, and FECKING HELL!!! Lookout my minor reputation, HERE COMES THE TRUE UP AND COMMING TRACK-CHAMP!. TS if you can ride half as quick as you did then shit me im sure youll do well on the track! just stay safe dude and make sure you feel comfortable with the speeds you run into corners, id hate to see you never make it to the track due to altercations with cateyes/rocks/cars/trees/anything else that comes across your path with that pace! (on a bloody 150!! carving up).

Yea man, TS has got lots of natural talent! I have never seen someone learn that much in that time frame.

I was really looking forward to seeing him in Taupo but it didn't work out for him. Hopefully we'll be seeing him on the track soon though.

[Antallica]

Yeah slow down I say. Had many unenjoyable rides due to leaders wanting to speed up things.

[FROSTY:Me]

I couldnt agree more here guys. You got it bang on KK
I thought of a lot more to add but I'd sound like a sanctomoneus pratt -given that another KB member and I gave antallica and his mate a view of big bike tailights on out pre spanner night ride on more than one occasion.
maybee its a wake up call for all of us
Ohh and logan--again dude--bang on

[Antallica]

Ahh it's all good Frosty, I think RIB forgot about the agreed 100km/h cruising speed. I was looking at 130-140km/h most of the way. My mate sure loves the hardcore speeding/cornering but I'm a bit sheepish at times.

[Quasievil]

Hey guys, this is just a general thread to bring some attention to the recent ride with 2 acc's in it both involving 250 riders without much experience (from what ive heard) http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ighlight=small

I hate to be the bitching nana' or whatever but its the way i think and the way i seem to ride too!

To get into it i personally think more could have been done at the recent "SMALL BIKES" ride organised for sunday just gone. I reckon had i of been in that ride and up amoungst the front runners i couldnt bring myself to think that i wasnt partially responsible for the off's of the riders. When there is a ride esp. when its organised as a small/slow ride or what have you and involving a number of newer riders i think some of us more experienced (yeah yeah i know, hardly me!) could go along and pace ourselves amoungest the group of newer riders and possibly just ahead to show them some lines etc without blasting into the distance leaving them to feel like they really need to gas it to keep up and pressure them into riding outside there capabilities. This doesnt mean they are not responsible for their own actions. However i think that anyone who doesnt agree with the statement before the last just cant remember their more youthful years!
Been there, Done that, not so long ago and so now all i wanted to contribute was this thread to express and opinion and see if there was much other support and/or some following through of the ideas in one of the next rides!:spudwhat:

Shade and i went for our own true-slow ride up to kaukoppakoppa(sp. bad!) via old north/peak roads instead and i had a ball of a time sitting behind him the whole way a) working on some of my techniques/apexing and also from observing his riding, feeling like i had something positive to contribute on the discussion of riding/his/mine afterwards (hes only been riding 6 odd months).

Yeah maybe im just harping on now! but just saying i could still have a really enjoyable time at a pace that could hardly earn me a ticket nor a repair bill!

Hope this doesnt rustle too many feathers of the big chooks (meant in a totally non insulting way!) but possibly helps make the next ride safer! - This all just started after i thought shit, if it were ME on that ride only a year or so ago, and i had of come off not only would my old man have kicked my arse (regarless if it was broken from the acc!) but i wouldnt have been alowed to show up to any KB events for the rest of my parentally guided life! (damn, 18 now and it still seems that way, how much longer mummy?!)

Well said, good on you for saying this. I will be the first to say that my riding needs some work, BUT without naming names I was concerned a bit as to how some of the riders were behaving, ie Passing , lines taking,following to close etc, I decided fairly quickly to hang in the back cause I had bikes all over my arse trying to race as fasyt as possible. The day was likely of a bit of carnage and it ended up being the case unfortunetly.
Alot of it relates to not knowing where to go, the route etc, and the fear of getting lost or left behind. So therefore three speed groups need three people to know the route, or provide good maps (not hard to do this).
Or each intersection the front guy waits until the count of bikes has passed then proceeds, then the next front guy waits etc etc etc, from this everyone gets a crack at setting the pace and the speed average is reduced.
Fuck Im rambling now ,anyway good stuff KK

[RiderInBlack]

Ahh it's all good Frosty, I think RIB forgot about the agreed 100km/h cruising speed. I was looking at 130-140km/h most of the way. My mate sure loves the hardcore speeding/cornering but I'm a bit sheepish at times.

Was there a 100KPH agreed Speed Then Frosty with BabyBiker telling him to go faster joined us
Yes it is always harder following. The front bike does not need to go much faster than the following bikes to leave them behind. Special as they get first oppertunity to pass and the following bikes are often left with the choice making a riskyer pass or waiting for a good spot and have to do catch-up. A better rider will also open a gap up due to better cornering without speeding. Beleave it or not Ant, this still happens to me on rides and I have needed to play catch-up. During the pre-spanner ride I was always looking in my mirrior to make sure the you and your mate were still there. Stopped more than once to wait for you, and more than one occasion I nearly truned back for you. I never expected you to ride at a pace you didn't feel comfitable at.
There was just too much power difference between the 1000 and the 150.

[FROSTY:Me]

OK GUYS lets name a name
Yep the KB member most responsible for all the speeding and dangerous antics is--wait for it
Baby Bikie==
Yep that disreputable little sod should be banned from all further KB rides
Leaning round and shouting in my ear to "go faster' was just a bit too much
But seriously now guys- perhaps if we do have a predetermined destination clearly noted then we can all ride at our own pace.
I

[RiderInBlack]

OK GUYS lets name a name
Yep the KB member most responsible for all the speeding and dangerous antics is--wait for it
Baby Bikie==
Yep that disreputable little sod should be banned from all further KB rides

Yer but it's cool seeing him behind you trying to put his knee down he needs some need pads

PS: Ant's got some fabric gloves now. Girlfriend is working on him to get some decent ones (like leather or kevlar).

[vifferman]

This isn't that hard, guys. There's LOTS of stuff on the interweb about riding in groups - how to organise it, how to make it safe, how to make sure people don't get left behind, etc.
Someone yesterday suggested dividing the group into subgroups of equal abilities or preferred riding speed - a good idea, and one that most organised groups follow.
Check this link:
The Pace
Or this one:
How to Ride a Motorcycle with a Group
Or this:
Group Riding