Cyclists cause an accident :(

[marty]

Those cyclists should immediately be charged for not obeying the road rules. 3 abreast is completely illegal! .

illegal according to what? S40 of the Traffic Regs 1976 (riding abreast) as been revoked since about 1998.

[WINJA]

illegal according to what? S40 of the Traffic Regs 1976 (riding abreast) as been revoked since about 1998.

I DONT THINK THE CYCLISTS ARE TO BLAME ANYWAY , THEY DID NOT FORCE THE CAR TO OVERTAKE DANGEROUSLY

[marty]

exactly. what's the title of the thread though?

[Leong]

Good to catch up with you today!! I think we were all quite lucky today, even with the weather! Your mate Jason's good value... had some very wise words to say when we stopped just before Hunua.

Think he might have got some photos/video of us just before SH2... If so I'd be interested in having a look!! ( EDIT: Seen it in the other thread )

Cheers

[Jantar]

Like most accidents, this one has more than one cause.

First and primary cause is that the cyclists were riding illegally. This from the LTSA site: http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/factsheets/01.html

Road rules for cyclists
What rules must I follow?....

If you're riding with other cyclists, don't ride more than two abreast. ...

Courtesy on the road Be considerate to other road users. If the road is narrow, check that you are not slowing the traffic flow, and let motor vehicles pass as soon as it's safe.

Second: The idiot in the car who was overtaking on a blind corner. Maybe he was going too fast and unable to stop within the clear visible distance ahead, but the second cause is still that the car was on the wrong side of the road.

All three cyclists and the driver of the car should be charged with failing to stop at the scene of an accident.

See it from the cyclist's point of view; it's safer for them to take up the whole lane, because then stupid cagers don't try to sqeeze past in their lane and accidentally push the cyclists off the road,

No, the stupid cagers are forced into a potential head on with other road users. I am a cyclist as well as a motorcyclist and a cage driver. Riding two abreast in traffic is simply dangerous and discourteous, three abreast is dangerous and illegal.

[Steam]

Jantar, you speak wisely, and i have decided I agree with you. Please ignore my previous posts.

[Motu]

Pushbikes have been racing on those roads for decades,and they seldom post a warning sign....although there is enough paraphenalia around to give you a few clues.So I'm sorta half expecting to see some out that way - but not a bloody car passing them mid corner!

[marty]

i'm not sure the road code would stand up as legislation in court

[c4.]

If deisil users pay road user charges/taxes, and petrol users pay levies for road funding, What right do cyclists have on the roads???
I know this is going to piss off some cyclists on our site, but treat it not as
a wind up, rather as some active discussion on why 1 or more non-contributors can cause a heavy transport road tax payer to wait/swerve/overtake dangerously, on a road that might be costing nearly 30- 50 cents per kilometre for the truck, and nothing for the cyclist.
Personally, I think that all cyclists on NZ roads are way more temporary than any other user. What is your ACC levy like if you cycle on the road???

[jtzzr]

Hey Beyond good to hear your mate is all good , I think despite the fact the cyclist were 3 abreast , the Fu@%kin cager should have had enough (err dumdum ) intelligence to overtake where there was enough vison to see that he had enough room to overtake(rant over) . at least you can fix a bent up bike it could`ve been worse.

[twinkle]

If diesel users pay road user charges/taxes, and petrol users pay levies for road funding, what right do cyclists have on the roads?

To be honest I can only think of three reasons why they don't get charged for road usage.
Because they do a negligible amount of damage to the road, because they are very environmentally friendly and therefore to be encouraged for those that can be bothered, and because a line has to be drawn somewhere on who gets charged for road usage eg. moving cattle skateboarding pedestrians any other conceivable use for the road

[sAsLEX]

exactly. what's the title of the thread though?

Had the cyclists not been there it would not of been an incident, but I think the blame does rest of the driver for passing in a fuckwit stupid place, but I am still against cyclists taking 3 abreast etc when if they rode single file often a car can get past without passing in to the oncoming lane.

[twinkle]

Does this count as law? I'm not sure if it is or isn't. If it is then it's two abreast.

from: http://www.knowledge-basket.co.nz/re...04/2004427.txt



11.10 Riding abreast

(1) A person must not ride a cycle or moped on a roadway so that it remains
abreast and to the right of---

(a) 2 other vehicles that are cycles or mopeds; or

(b) 1 other cycle or moped while that cycle or moped is overtaking and
passing another vehicle, including a parked vehicle; or

(c) any other vehicle having 3 or more road wheels (including a
motorcycle fitted with a sidecar).

(2) Subclause (1) does not apply if cyclists are participating in a race
that is subject to a traffic management plan agreed by the road controlling
authority.
Compare: SR 1976/227 r 40

edit:
ltsa had it on their server too
http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/rules/docs/r...-rule-2004.pdf

[McJim]

I bet if the cyclists had been single file the motorist would still have strayed into the oncoming lane on a blind corner. If they are the kind of brain donor that will overtake on a blind corner anyway then there's no protection agaist them. I used to be a racing cyclist - I drive a cage - I ride a motorbike. I would never overtake on a blind corner on any of these vehicles....unless the vehicle I was passing was stationary and then I would do it slowly with caution - we can only hope that natural selection does it's bit....if you know what I mean, before the wanker kills someone.

[twinkle]

The fact that the cyclists were three abreast is irrelevant. If they had been two abreast through the corner the car still would have had to have been on the other side of the road to pass.
Bikes lean just like motorbikes do, they take up a lot of space.