Ha ha Labour

[Skyryder]

I think the USofA have got it right, 2 terms in office and she's out! I don't wish her to be dead though, considering what will probably follow...

A reformed or totally new government is not the answer, someone said "we learn from history that men never learn from history!"

The new world order WILL come into power soon and NZ will just be a puppet on a string, if it isn't already...

This is usualy the response from people who do not know the differences between the democracy of the American republic and ours; the Westminster system. The two terms and you are out is a relitive new Ammendment to the American Constitution. I think it was in the late 50's, would have to look this up. It was bought in as a measure to prevent the ursurption of power by the President as Commander in Chief of the American Armed Forces.

Helen Clarke or for that matter any Prime Minister of a Westminster democracy has no military rank. We do not elect Prime Ministers. The political party elects a leader of the Parlimentary Wing of the party who is sworn in by the Governor General as Prime Minister.

It might surprise you Zed that the President of the USA is not elected by the people. He is elected by the Elctoral Collage...........and if you think MMP is difficult to understand...............the Electoral Collage and how it goes about its buisness makes MMP childs play.

Skyryder

[Jantar]

I vote oldrider for PM.

He's old and he rides. Good enough for me.

Now, I want lower taxes, more money and queers, aylum seekers and hippies thrown out of the country or shot.

I'll second that nomination.

Jacqui will only be a two term MP, so put your name forward right now.

[candor]

I agree with Dovers sadistic idea about what should happen to the prison van basher, I have to confess. Its not nice but hey - some decisive action - some cruel to be kind is whats needed here. And its outrageous how our judges treat murder like its no big deal.

A drunk walking home in CHCH so as not to drink drive is atacked for no reason with baseball bat and killed - 12 years the sentence today! And the judge says (or agrees) with defense that the 18 yr old kiler is just suffering youthful exuberance - unwise and full of oats or suchlike!!! Anywhere else that would be one sorry sentence.

But Indianas comment re Ms Clark (said thru gritted teeth) got me thinking too
"Yep, that's all the bitch wants, I hope she fucks off and dies"

Perhaps this could be arranged to happen sometime after Hel takes a trip in a van with the "rising star of crime." You know - on the way to inspect the new palatial cans.

She is heading up the most corrupt govt in the last 100 years. Teflon Clarke - nothing sticks. We should write to the UN and the Dalai llama and loudly broadcast what kind of lo-life she is, with no loyalty to Kiwis. I bet she could not raise an Army with what she has done to mankind. Power and celebrity is her kind of "P". Just like the prison van basher. I see little diff.

For his t shirt choice which identifies him as a hopeless psychopath and the effect it must have had on van murder victims family I support capital punishment (altho generally I'm against it) in this special case.

I hope the prison van basher is tortured by some one in jail before he meets a timely demise. And that this country can also get purged of the she devil.

Can't think of any quality leader in waiting. We might need to go on a recruitment drive abroad to find some real talent. Makes lil diff anyway as elected officials are only puppets anyway. Read the OECDs latest report card on us which spelt out what we must be doing next.

It included a lot more of privatisation (so expect that) plus said biiig need to turn round welfare dependency and increase quality of education.

It recommended (as above) t go harder with the neo-liberal policies.

[Finn]

I had to wait until I was 21 before I got my first vote and that was almost 46yrs ago.
I took an interest in politics long before that and I have seen many governments come and go in my lifetime.
In all of that time I have never seen a government elected "IN" to office!
Without exception it would be pretty accurate for me claim that I have only ever seen a government voted "OUT" of office!
Suffice to say, in the best of NZ traditions, this Labour Government is fast approaching it's "publicly acknowledged" use by date!
I say publicly acknowledged because that will be the time when the public will have had enough of Labours corrupt practices and behaviour and finally toss them out!
I am surprised and disappointed that it has taken them so long to recognise the failings of this questionable crew.
As corrupt and incompetent as I believe this government is, it is with deep trepidation that I ponder, what foolish choice the sheeple will make in their blind charge to replace them!
You may rest assured, the next government will not be voted "IN", it will be in accordance with our great Kiwi tradition, voted "OUT"!
God only knows (someone to blame) what the outcome will be because it will not be planned, it will just be a chaotic result!
God defend New Zealand, because the sheeple are incapable! John.

John. I am on one knee. Marry me.

Apart from myself (of course) John is the most intelligent person I know on KB. You are absolutely right. Elections in NZ are never won. They are lost. I understand why National lost 3 terms ago, but lost ALL confidence and faith in NZ when Labour were elected for a second and third term. It just goes to show the dumbing down of NZ.

I agree with "who the hell next?" and I think that perhaps we should look past the leadership thing which is what kiwi's are going on about but that's only cause we're told to think that. Look at the values and what they stand for. All politicians are corrupt, but the entire Labout party should ALL BE PUBLICLY HUNG!!! After we throw stones at them.

[Flatcap]

John. I am on one knee. Marry me.

Apart from myself (of course) John is the most intelligent person I know on KB. You are absolutely right. Elections in NZ are never won. They are lost. I understand why National lost 3 terms ago, but lost ALL confidence and faith in NZ when Labour were elected for a second and third term. It just goes to show the dumbing down of NZ.

I agree with "who the hell next?" and I think that perhaps we should look past the leadership thing which is what kiwi's are going on about but that's only cause we're told to think that. Look at the values and what they stand for. All politicians are corrupt, but the entire Labout party should ALL BE PUBLICLY HUNG!!! After we throw stones at them.

See, this is the problem with universal sufferage - most people are too stupid to be given the vote. There should be a voting licence system to weed out the idiots.

[Motu]

I agree with "who the hell next?" and I think that perhaps we should look past the leadership thing which is what kiwi's are going on about but that's only cause we're told to think that. .

You are slowly coming around - I'll make a hippy out of you yet. Peace and love brother,let's have a commune,we''ll all govern in equal share.Power corrupts,so we'll all have a say in how we run our country.....but we need a spokesman - and I know just the man....ahem.....

[Lou Girardin]

See, this is the problem with universal sufferage - most people are too stupid to be given the vote. There should be a voting licence system to weed out the idiots.

Property owners?
Those of a certain class only?
Aaaah, the 19th century beckons.

[Quasievil]

See, this is the problem with universal sufferage - most people are too stupid to be given the vote. There should be a voting licence system to weed out the idiots.

I reckon, if youre unemployed (not a student) then you dont get to vote, that will stop the handout drain and consistant lefties getting in government, and likely the industry built around it

[MD]

I reckon, if youre unemployed (not a student) then you dont get to vote, that will stop the handout drain and consistant lefties getting in government, and likely the industry built around it

I couldn't be bothered reading all the pages here but it's a topical subject - being sick of Labour. I think Quasi has a point here. The sponges and vermin of society will always vote Labour and the workers/tax payers spread their votes across too many parties, with the result that labour don't win - but all the others lose. How can the so-called more intelligent mob be outsmarted but drugged out gang members and crims and low life drop outs?
We really need a strong alternative to rise to capture the split voters. Sadly I can't see this happening. We need an independent group to campaign at election time for the non-Labour voters NOT to split their votes across, Nat,Act, NZF etc. But then which one is asked...
And please don't start me on the weak justice system and cases like that Van killer. How the f#@% can some people in this country still oppose capital punishment.

[SPORK]

Helen KKKlark amirite

[Ixion]

See, this is the problem with universal sufferage - most people are too stupid to be given the vote. There should be a voting licence system to weed out the idiots.

Yes indeed. And the licence age should be raised to 50 . That'll sort the problem. But, why pussyfoot around, why not abolish voting altogether? Can any one deny that democracy is a failed experiment?

[Flatcap]

Property owners?
Those of a certain class only?
Aaaah, the 19th century beckons.

I was thinking people with a certain level of intelligence - there are plenty of idjit property owners......having said this, the 19th century wasn't all bad...

[SwanTiger]

I reckon, if youre unemployed (not a student) then you dont get to vote, that will stop the handout drain and consistant lefties getting in government, and likely the industry built around it

What about the retired individuals who live off their investments or even someone like me who isn't employed however has a reasonable income?

Perhaps there needs to be a "Freedom & Rights License" where by our current privilages are restricted but increase over time like our graduation based licensing system.

I suppose you could accuse the concept of being that of a dictatorship but in reality it is no different from what we have now. All it would do is put what we already think in black and white and give us means to enforce it.

Here is a nice warm and fuzzy example.

If you commit a crime, such as Murder, then your license is disqualified and you loose all of your Freedom and Rights.

[SPORK]

Hey lets only let rich people vote, that's a real cool idea!

[Finn]

Hey lets only let rich people vote, that's a real cool idea!

Do you realise Helen Clark thinks you're rich if your earn over $40k a year?