Can't believe this shit

**classic zed** · 2nd September 2006, 20:17

I have Time serts which actually replace the whole thread with a steel insert, they are vastly superior to heli coils, I can do the operation in situ for you or if you have the sump off just bring it in takes about 5 minutes for the whole thing. I can do plug threads too without removing the head.

http://www.timesert.com/

Let me know if you need it done

**SuperDave** · 2nd September 2006, 20:22

Thanks TWR - just the sorta info I was after.

**TLDV8** · 2nd September 2006, 20:25

The TL1000 case is the same with the problem being that cut out.A lot of folk do not torque the sump plug up (only around 16.5 ft/lbs) and the threads start to break away starting at the edge of the cut out.
Welding as mentioned sounds like a plan (there are various inserts available also) but consideration would have to be given to filling the cut out even though a little oil would be left in the sump when drained.

Edit..Just spotted Classic Zed's,that is the route a lot of folk take as long as they do not back out,some of the early versions were crap.

**classic zed** · 2nd September 2006, 20:33

Originally Posted by TLDV8

The TL1000 case is the same with the problem being that cut out.A lot of folk do not torque the sump plug up (only around 16.5 ft/lbs) and the threads start to break away starting at the edge of the cut out.
Welding as mentioned sounds like a plan (there are various inserts available also) but consideration would have to be given to filling the cut out even though a little oil would be left in the sump when drained.

Edit..Just spotted Classic Zed's,that is the route a lot of folk take as long as they do not back out,some of the early versions were crap.

I have been using timeserts for the last 10 years, not had one back out yet

**James Deuce** · 2nd September 2006, 21:18

Originally Posted by SuperDave

But here comes the interesting part - is it normal to find stones in it !?

I hate to say this but it's been in a gravel trap at some point.

Ex-race bike?

**nadroj** · 2nd September 2006, 21:41

Just had the same problem with the Busa. The next size up is probably 5/8" so get yourself a 5/8" sump plug from Repco or Supercheap & tap it out to that. There is plenty of meat in the sump for it but you will have too little to go to the next size in metric if you manage to find the next size sump plug in metric. I was advised the thread inserts would come loose due to the slot for oil drainage by experienced engine builders.
Good luck.

**SuperDave** · 2nd September 2006, 22:06

Originally Posted by Jim2

I hate to say this but it's been in a gravel trap at some point.

Ex-race bike?

Yeah I've known it was raced earlier in it's life since I bought it.
How exaclty do stones get in even it it does go down in gravel? I reckon it was a bit of sabotage via the oil filler cap by another racer haha.

Now to get the damn race fairings to fit in the mean time, tis not as easy as I thought it would be.

**SwanTiger** · 2nd September 2006, 22:08

Originally Posted by SuperDave

Yeah I've known it was raced earlier in it's life since I bought it.
How exaclty do stones get in even it it does go down in gravel? I reckon it was a bit of sabotage via the oil filler cap by another racer haha.

Now to get the damn race fairings to fit in the mean time, tis not as easy as I thought it would be.

Part of the casing is worn away, rocks get in and who ever repairs it doesn't find or think to look for debri? I don't think the biggest of the rocks would fit through the oil filler cap. Give it a go and see if it does.