Sad joke

**Ixion** · 9th September 2006, 18:01

Public stoning implies revenge, which solves nothing and simple clouds a relatively simple issue with emotion

The matter is quite simple. Is the person in question capable and willing to be a useful productive member of society, given reprogramming (and will the cost of reprogramming be cost effective). If yes, reprogram him. If no, eliminate him. But the elimination doesn't have to be an emotionally loaded big deal. Just a simple logical decision, and elimination in as quick and painless a way as possible.

Take the emotion out of these things and they become much simpler.

**Street Gerbil** · 9th September 2006, 21:29

Originally Posted by Ixion

Is the person in question capable and willing to be a useful productive member of society, given reprogramming (and will the cost of reprogramming be cost effective). If yes, reprogram him. If no, eliminate him.

Anthony Burgess already explored this approach in his Clockwork Orange and found it unsatisfactory...

**Ixion** · 9th September 2006, 21:32

Comrade Stalin reached a different conclusion as to efficiacy. YMMV

**ManDownUnder** · 11th September 2006, 10:50

Originally Posted by Ixion

Public stoning implies revenge, which solves nothing and simple clouds a relatively simple issue with emotion

The irony is it starts allowing the public to get involved again.

My biggest gripe is the whole issue of the state being our protector, our provider, and the punishment of anyone getting in the way. If I saw that kid about to drop something off the edge I could go crash tackle him, kick him in the arse.. whatever... and be done for assault.

So there is a rule out there that say's I'll be punished for intervening (unless it's in defence of another and then you need to use reasonable force... to which I reply... any non lawyers out there able to define "reasonable force" accurately? I sure as hell can't so how can I be reasonably expected to use it?)

Originally Posted by Ixion

The matter is quite simple. Is the person in question capable and willing to be a useful productive member of society, given reprogramming (and will the cost of reprogramming be cost effective). If yes, reprogram him. If no, eliminate him. But the elimination doesn't have to be an emotionally loaded big deal. Just a simple logical decision, and elimination in as quick and painless a way as possible.

for the record - I disagree with the emilination but we'll agree to disagree on that - that's a WHOLE OTHER discussion.

Originally Posted by Ixion

Take the emotion out of these things and they become much simpler.

Agreed!

I think the emotion needs to be removed from the public involvement aspect.

Why are the general public not allowed, or encouraged or enabled to get involved in day to day maintenance of communal rules and requirements? If some little shit breaks into a house I want all the neighbours to work together on it. Someone spots him and yells, the one(s) nearest the phone ring the cops, while others wait outside and tackle the little bastard on the way out (or keep him in there).

Does it happen? Hell no. I'm not allowed to touch him, I don't care - it's their property and they wouldn't do anything for me... blah blah blah.

It's all bullshit. We've been brainwashed into doing nothing. The State and it's powers are the ones we are told to rely on (which is interesting considering the ads running at the moment... be prepared... you may have to think for yourself in a disaster..!)

Who have thought?

Anyway - raving off to do some email..

MDU

**Pixie** · 11th September 2006, 10:52

Originally Posted by magicfairy

He was 15! Just a kid.
A stupid teenager who didn't think thru the consequences of his actions like most 15 year olds. So none of you ever did anything blindingly stupid at that age?
And now his own life is ruined.

Locking him up for life won't change anything.
My 2 cents.

Remove his genes from the pool