Aftermarket Exhaust and New Rules

**bikerboy** · 7th June 2003, 12:53

KK is just a product of his puritan heritage. Anything that gives pleasure is either immoral, illegal or both. This attitude has been instilled in the Anglo-Saxon phyche since the puritans killed the catholic king in 1640? and replaced him with the puppets William and Mary.

British law is infested with this attitude ( hence the Nanny state) to protect us from our (basically immoral) selves. People like Bikers are seen as a threat because we live outside the prescribed code; enjoying deviant behavior, like motorcycles (dangerous), speed, exhiloration, freedom, etc., all immoral sensations.

Hence KK's comment about guilt or trying to "get away with something". What "something"?, enjoying oneself without harming others is a concept alien to the puritan ideology. I'm sure this is why a lot of police have left, the conflict of freedom and the nanny state forcing them to choose, leaving is good for them, but bad for us.

**Kwaka-Kid** · 7th June 2003, 13:01

ahh it ould all be true...

or maybe i could just get my kicks out of trying to give shit or playing the opposite end of somthing.. in here most of your veiws are all one way, i just love to go against the grain and see what i kick up

- and this time i learnt somthing about some african-sexist people i came from? or somthing like that anyway, it sounded kool.

**bungbung** · 30th June 2003, 10:43

My vtr has carbon arrow mufflers which are loud! The dealer I bought the bike from agreed that as these were a dealer fitted item when the bike was new, then they counted as OE items, therefore could be issued a WoF. Nice one shopman

**Coldkiwi** · 30th June 2003, 12:19

thats still arse.. they haven't yet addressed the issue of it being completely subjective.

and another curiousty...who of us REALLY knows what to expect when standing behind a vehicle at half its redline?? I stood behind my bike and I would certainly be tempted to call it too loud.. but its fitted with a factory exhaust so it can't be!? (incidentally, i'm getting a louder one anyway... lets see them try and make a subjective assessment stick in court!)

**Kiwi** · 2nd July 2003, 17:33

new infos

Exhausting issue ends
The threat of vehicles failing their warrant of fitness test due to an excessively noisy exhaust – and the possibility of dealers being forced to replace noisy exhausts – has been reduced.
Last month autofile reported how the LTSA had clarified the testing procedures for exhausts, leading to numerous failures by vehicles with aftermarket systems.

or not I don't know

Kiwi

**Coldkiwi** · 2nd July 2003, 17:49

who's autofile? ]

What I see on that LTSA 'updated info' really doesn't clairfy the situation at all... other than putting beyond any doubt that the laws proponents haven't got a brain cell between them!!

**Dave** · 2nd July 2003, 18:47

Surely a wof is intended to ensure that all vehicles on the road meet a minimum safety requirement-What the hell has noise got to do with safety?
what will come next-wof inspecters expected to fail any machine that can go over the speed limit or pull a wheely?

**SPman** · 2nd July 2003, 20:46

Originally posted by Coldkiwi

What I see on that LTSA 'updated info' really doesn't clairfy the situation at all... other than putting beyond any doubt that the laws proponents haven't got a brain cell between them!!

Yeah, its still all airy-fairy vague, isn't it.

**Kwaka-Kid** · 2nd July 2003, 22:42

well a noisey exhaust could scare the grandma beside you causing her to hit the pix and the nexdt car to pile into it - haha theres always a reason if you look, but yes coldkiwi i agree, just as i feel what the hell does treaded tyres have to do with saftey?

**Dave** · 3rd July 2003, 08:20

your one of a kind KK, I just don't know what kind!

**Brian Riley** · 5th July 2003, 14:14

The regulations reffered to regarding aftermarket exhausts are nothing new they come from NZ vehicle regulations 1976. Some of the coments on this forum are correct in that the test for a wof is a subjective one and that the system fitted should be significantly louder than the standard system. Police and testing stations have simply been instructed to start paying atention to noisey exhausts, largely due to our boy racer friends and their antics on our roads. so unless your bike is rediculouly loud you shouldnt have much to worry about. Chances are a ticket for a noisey exhaust would more likely be a product of your poor atitude when stopped. So in short stop moaning about old legislation and go ride your bike.

**bluninja** · 5th July 2003, 15:16

errrrr....read the 1976 regs and there is a very specicfic test method. the new rules have no reliable test method, and they have a to already resulted in people being pulled by the police and then passed at WOF.......waste of driver/rider, wof tester and police time. As for having to Kowtow to the police for fear of being served with punitive fines and conditions for having the temerity to speak back to them with the right attitude...that sucks.

As most of the people here I will continue to ride; I will also continue to work as a responsible citizen to protect my freedoms from poor legislation or rulesg that could affect my leisure and pleasure in the future. Do you consider this moaning?

TTFN

**bikerboy** · 6th July 2003, 12:33

If these are Old Regulations as Mr. Riley has suggested, why has the Government gone to the trouble of the New regulations. Why do the police need to be told to enforce existing laws?

It seems to me the people moaning are the Gov't and police. "we need more laws to control these evil menacing boy racers. HELP"

People standing up for their rights should never be called moaners. Once this attitude creeps in we are on the slippery path to a Police state.

Believing that the only ones that need worry are the law breakers shows a distinct lack of knowledge of history, and those who don't know their history are doomed to relive it!

**MacD** · 18th July 2003, 10:01

The police have dropped the fine they gave the Whangarei "Mum-racer" after the car passed the "human-ear" test at a testing station.

Herald Story

However the article seems to miss the whole point that the final test to determine whether an exhaust is "too noisy" is entirely subjective and non-quantifiable. You've got to laugh at the final comment:

LTSA spokesman Andy Knackstedt said he understood police had been directed to carry out simple tests without meters to gauge noise levels. This would allow consistency between roadside and garage testing.

The LTSA obviously has no clue whatsoever about sound measurement.