Aftermarket Exhaust and New Rules

[Coldkiwi]

this is all so stupid.

all the testing standards (very well researched and presented documents I can assure you) exist to deal with exhaust noise and here LTSA are trying to recreate the wheel and doing a piss poor job of it.

So how come no opposition MP's are into this??? Why isn't it in the news?

[bluninja]

Perhaps because bikers are insignificant??

TTFN

[Marmoot]

Sounds more like "victimization of the minority" rather than "law" to me.
The reason why it goes ahead is simple: the target of the law (boyracers...and bikes....) are not popular subjects in the society, therefore the majority don't really pay attention to it.
What the don't realize (yet) is that the law wording holds the potential to be used against them as well at later days if the authority needs to (for example: the need for more money/funding).

[aff-man]

Well then all we need to do is find someone in the public eye who is into bikes or the new holden ss ( couldn't hear anything while sitting behind it). And inform them of this law and how it affects them and thier little world.Then people might pay attention to what some of the government agencies are getting away with.It seems that as long as it doesn't affect them it isn't important but little do they know allthough aimed at "boy racers and bikers" the middle aged man is going to have a spot of trouble as well. And if we in a testing station and fail due to a loud exhaust i am sure taking a new holden or ford v8 from a dealership we could prove they are louder. They want money we have it and if they can take it they will , either that or some politition  is throwing around statistics about "boy racers" and due to stupidity they probably assume less noisey exhausts mean less boy racers so much for a bloody democracey.

[BigB]

It'll be interesting to see what happens when John Banks takes his harley in for testing???

I bet he'll have something to say if fails!!!!

[750Y]

You can't be serious, does he really sail a harley?
I'd love to see John banks on his hd. what a puller. I need a good laugh.

[bluninja]

Banksie has a Harley, but doesn't get out on it  much (got quite a shock when he found out how much it was to license it with the ACC levy !!). He does admit to it not really being a bike, and was quite a laugh when he popped into the AMCC clubhouse.

TTFN

[aff-man]

Talking about biting you in the ass   He was so keen on trying to get the boy racers out of auckland and now look where he sits , you gotta love karma!!!!!

[MikeL]

Originally posted by bluninja
Banksie has a Harley

He also has a very shrewd grasp of political expediency.
I suspect the Harley riding might be expendable in the right circumstances...

BTW Bluninja I appreciate the irony of your Latin tag: "Anything said in Latin sounds profound"!

[bluninja]

Mikel, I was hoping someone would apreciate that....possibly more appropriate for this debate is Lex malla, lex nulla A bad law is no law. (St. Thomas Aquinas).

TTFN

[Marmoot]

Ahem.....it is already taking innocent toll and creating debates


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydispl...ondsubsection=

[Motu]

Shit Hot! it's started already - the cops used a decibel meter,the wof tester didn't ,he is not supplied with one and has no decibel levels in his manual - suprise! we have a problem - HELLO???!!!!!

[moko]

Here in Britain cops used to pretty much turn a blind eye(or deaf ear?)to loud exhausts but as usual it got abused and even I get pissed off with having what sounds like a squadron of low-flying Tornadoes zapping past my place at midnight every Saturday.There`s now a crackdown of sorts and the Police even have the powers to confiscate "nuisance" vehicles.Usual procedure was to stick standard pipes on for the M.O.T.(our WOF)then change back,o.k. pipes were not legal but not excessive either,usual dickheads have screwed it up for everybody.Having said that be a bit discreet and you`re still un-likely to get a pull,Cops are mainly after the morons who treat our roads as race-tracks and they`re usually the "weekend warrior" types.

[Coldkiwi]

right, next time I see piggy sitting on the road side i'm gonna pull over (on my nice quiet 6R!) AND ASK HIM WHAT THE HELL THE STORY IS!!!

I'm THIS close(imagine tightly pressed fingers) to writing to nanny herald and giving them a decent serve of 'look at this crap' and educating some of their dear readers about just what is going on behind the scenes!

Whangarei woman Norma Cates could be the country's first "mum racer". The 46-year-old mother of two drives a Ford Falcon and has never had a speeding ticket in her life. However, under the new Land Transport (Street and Illegal Drag Racing) Amendment Bill -- just over a week old -- the Whangarei housewife has been fined for driving a car with a modified exhaust which was deemed too noisy by police. Bizarrely, what was deemed too loud by the police was found to be okay by warrant of fitness experts the next day, raising the question of "just how loud is too loud?" (BIZZARE!? MORE LIKE BLOODY INEVITABLE)Mrs Cates was driving her son's Toyota Starlet GT car when she was stopped by police on Friday night. Mrs Cates had dropped her son and two girls at a party and was stopped about 10.30pm on her way home. The car was "green-stickered" and a $150 fine dished out because the car's engine pumped 98.9 (NO ACOUSTIC ENGINEER EVEN CONTEMPLATES READING DECIBELS IN 0.1 ACCURACY: PEOPLE REPORTING 98.9 dBADON'T KNOW THEIR ARSE FROM THEIR ELBOW) decibels of noise out the exhaust. A green sticker means the car must be given a new WOF before it is allowed back on the road. Police used a meter to measure the noise, which exceeded the recommended 85 decibels. (RECOMMENDED BY BLOODY WHO!? POSTMAN PAT!!?!?!?! THE ONLY DECENT RECOMMENDATIONS CALL FOR A COMPREHENSIVE SERIES OF TESTS (see my earlier rants in the other exhaust noise thread) TO GET A FAIR GAUGE)The next day, the Cates took the car to a Vehicle Testing New Zealand station -- and the exhaust passed the WOF test, which simply involves a VTNZ expert listening to the muffler. (WHAT"s HIS NAME!? I'LL TAKE MY BIKE THERE... STUPID REPORTERS)Whangarei police acting Sergeant Neil Pennington said that under the new legislation police were not required to use a noise meter (so what the f&%$%&((*^%$$%%K WERE THEY DOING!?!) but had been directed that 85 decibels was the limit for car exhausts. The legislation states that if a car's modified muffler is noticeably louder than noise that would come from the original exhaust system it should be ordered off the road. However, Mrs Cates said the anomaly in the testing methods meant her son could be passed by VTNZ but be pulled up by police for the same offence. (CLEARLY THE HERALD DIDN'T TWEAK TO THIS BEFORE HAND)Land Transport Safety Authority spokesman Andy Knackstedt said he understood that police had been directed to carry out simple tests without meters to gauge noise levels (Whangarei police acting Sergeant Neil Pennington said that under the new legislation police were not required to use a noise meter - SORT THE STORY OUT BOYS!). "They simply get in the vehicle and get it half-way to "red-line" and listen. If it is significantly and noticeably louder than it should be they can place a green sticker on it," he said. The method allowed consistency between roadside and garage testing (IN WHAT PLANET CAN THAT POSSIBLY BE EVEN JOKINGLY CONSIDERED CONSISTENT!!!!!). In the past the police had used noise meters but conditions on the roadside could not be replicated in a vehicle testing station, he said. Meanwhile, Mrs Cates is writing to police about the fine and will not be paying it. "It's bizarre. Someone needs to get their act together," she said.

*TAKES SEVERAL LONG... DEEP... BREATHS*

It's a case in point ain't it? 42 yr old mum drops kids off at party and drives nicely home. NOT exactly boy racer is she??? but the thick pricks at the Herald still entitle it 'mum-racer' .. FOR F&*%^#($^^%KS SAKE!!!! get a clue you prats!!! thats the whole problem!!!! she ISN"T a problem! and she's getting busted.

gawd some people are thick (or trying to sell too many papers)

 

[Coldkiwi]

Thats it. i'm submitting a rant to my MP, herald and LTSA.

(then you lovely people can avoid wading through my tirades to get some polite conversation going)