Aftermarket Exhaust and New Rules

[Motu]

Your tail light blows - you still have a wof...but it's not leagal to operate,your responsability to keep it UP to wof standard.

Yer right bluninja,it should be up to the police to prove it dosen't comply - and document the how and why.

[wkid_one]

Well I had a run in with Mr Plod today........on two counts and both on the Rimutakas.....

1.   Passed a group of cars - and pulled in behind a police car doing 80kph.....so I bided my time and then passed him and shot up and over the hill like a day-glo yellow mis-firing scud missle!  Then once over the other side I stopped to talk to another rider and Mr Plod pulled over....and beckoned me to his car......

He then asked me what the following distance was for a car travelling at 70kph.  I said 28m and proceeded to ask why the car was only doing 70kph in a 100zone......to which end he had no answer......

2.  On the way back, I must have passed the mufti cop and then went up the inside of the next car on a 35kph corner with my knee on the ground...next minute on go the cherry winklers and I am pulled over.  The cop then proceeded to tell me over for 'dangerous driving' and went to ticket me.  I asked him what the reason for the ticket was - I was within the speed limit, and in my lane and under total control of the bike.  He indicated that 'that style of riding is illegal'??  I told him he may want to show me where in the road code that is because it wasn't anywhere I had read it.  He decided not to ticket me...

An example of cops being wankers - neither time was there any need to pull me over - just an example of the police flexing there mis-directed muscle.

On the upside tho - neither commented on the pipes at all.

PS - Don't hit the cateyes with your knee down - I have a huge bruise on my knee now, a limp and one munted looking knee slider.

[Coldkiwi]

twas the night before cut off

and all through the house

not a keypad was stirring,

not even the mouse.

The submission was packed with evidence and flair

And poor Coldkiwi was stuffed and could not care.

Allright. here it is. after all my rants the bastard is done and I'm pooped.

see... this is what happens when those govt. idiots stick their oar in, I loose sleep! bastards. and I start writing drivel poems  at 1:30 in the morning because I've just finished a 14 page chronicle!!!

if only they put as much time into those guidelines as I put into arguing about hwo stupid they are!

 :roadkill:

:bigthumb:

[aff-man]

Nice one CK Who did you send it to the reply will be very very interesting if you even get a reply at all

 

[Marmoot]

Very well put.
I also read in recent NZH and Nzoom that there are some new developments (read: arguments) about this law.
I begin to believe there is a window for a change

[Coldkiwi]

indeed... quarters of the LTSA appear to be backing down a bit as the chorus gets louder.Thanks for kicking all this off Marmoot!

[Coldkiwi]

I'ev submitted it to LTSA via the web, I'll send it by post to them and to my MP.

I'll pull out the juicy bits and send it to nanny herald, maybe even revise it again and send to dear old Johnny  banks with a few enlightening commens about certain american makes of motorcycle and the apparent illegality of them... maybe I should do that via the heralds letters section?? that could be fun!

 

[SPman]

Nice work CK 

[Coldkiwi]

cheers.

respect to all those who posted submissions earlier, they helped me sort out my ideas!

[Slim]

Well done, CK.


I copied my submission to all the motorcyclists in the building, 2 of which are my team leaders or managers & wanted to know the details so they could send their own submissions.

[wkid_one]

Before anyone does that - you may want to read my reply from them.  They have confirmed that it is the restatement of the existing law.

Response from the LTSA to my 'query'

Your enquiry is probably related to the information sent by the LTSA to

Warrant of Fitness inspectors last month saying that they should use as

their reference point for assessing a noisy vehicle the noise emissions when

the vehicle was new.

That information was sent out NOT because the law had changed but because

the increased focus on unauthorised street racing activities has resulted in

an increased interest and emphasis on noisy vehicles. There is also likely

to be an increase in the number of vehicles 'green stickered' under section

115(1) of the Land Transport Act 1998 for vehicle defects. One of these

defects may be a noisy modified exhaust system.

The LTSA has received considerable expressions of interest in this matter

and is clarifying further that the fitment of a non-OE (original equipment)

or aftermarket exhaust system or component is not, on its own, a reason for

rejection in the warrant of fitness inspection. The question is whether

that exhaust system is noticeably and significantly louder than the

original, and whether the vehicle is being operated in a socially

irresponsible manner.

Motorcycles and decibel limits

The LTSA is aware that motorcycles as a group are noisier than motorcars and

that some motorcycles are noisier than others. This is recognised in the

law at present, in Regulation 29 of the Traffic Regulations that prescribes

maximum noise limits for vehicles sold for first registration in New

Zealand, and for vehicles that are modified in a way that could affect the

noise output of the vehicle.

 

The decibel limits in this test refer to measurements made in a drive-by

test that requires expensive and sophisticated measuring equipment that must

be operated by skilled technicians, and it is important that measurements

are carried in an appropriate testing facility. The cost to vehicle owners

to have this test performed would be substantial and it is therefore not a

practicable solution for individual vehicles at the time of WoF inspection.

The LTSA will continue to investigate the possibility of a practical and

affordable objective noise test, but in the interim WoF inspectors will

continue to use the subjective test that has been in the WoF inspection for

many years. We are confident that WoF inspectors can apply their knowledge,

skill and experience to assess "if the noise output is noticeably and

significantly higher than should be expected for the vehicle" in the same

way that they apply their knowledge, skill and experience to assess if a

vehicle has worn seat belts or has an unacceptable level of corrosion.

Timeframe for any changes to law regarding exhaust systems

Although all these actions are being undertaken under current law, the LTSA

has been consulting over the past six weeks as to if and how the law should

be changed in the future as regards exhaust noise emissions. The changes,

if any, will be put in place in about a year's time when the relevant

Traffic Regulations are revoked and Land Transport Rule: Vehicle Equipment

(the Vehicle Equipment Rule) comes into force. The LTSA has received

numerous submissions on vehicle noise during this consultation exercise and

will take these into account when re-drafting the rule and submitting it to

the Minister of Transport for scrutiny. Among the submissions received have

been industry suggestions for an objective noise test and the LTSA will work

with the exhaust system industry and with the Low Volume Vehicle Technical

Association to ensure that the technical requirements in the final draft of

the Vehicle Equipment Rule provide a practicable and workable regime.

 

Yours sincerely

 

John White

Manager Safer Vehicle Policy

[bluninja]

What a lot of HUA (head up ass)! What's this? We aren't changing anything, and if we do we'll consult properly and all will be well in the world.

BTW They don't test noise output of an exhaust every year during the MOT (equivalent of WOF). They do however check that the exhaust is stamped as approved to those standards. The exhuast manufacturers have to get their products type approved, or they can just stamp them not for road use. How hard would that be? If the exhaust is noisy the police just check that it's stamped.  Bikers, swap the exhaust system for the MOT and then back again afterwards.

WKID good that you got a response. Thanks for posting it.

TTFN

[Kwaka-Kid]

yeah thanks for that dude, however can someone please post the gst of it all down here? haha no time to read it all and scrubs just came on! haha cyas in 30mins! :P

p.s all go check my new topic in Tweaks section asking about RVF 400 exhaust :P ta

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?threadid=420&goto=newpost

[Redstar]

some of those momo systems look like they would accomodate a reasonably sized grapfruit?
I dont think the testing station will get too excited unless the DBA
Is clearly a social problem. my bike is a kitten below 10,000 rpm then it becomes a rampent screaming ninja.
last warrent I had the break test was most amusing I never get the same standard of test twice each one is different.
last one was a major hoot!
stop between the five meter lines.
at what speed I inquired?
at 30klms / hr first front then back brake.
yum I cant wait.
sanctioned stoppie/skiddie show.
The lady who gave me the warrent said we enjoyed the braking
I wish they would invest in some paddock stands even a 400 is hard to lift on your leg for bearing checks and I craked the fairing doing it.

[Marmoot]

So, there is STILL the QUESTION on
(1) contradiction between "Significantly louder" and "louder", (which in one means an ambiguous amount louder, and the other means any amount louder) than standard.
(2) HOW LOUD is SIGNIFICANTLY LOUD?

What a load of crap for a law.........can't we sue those lawmakers as incompetent in making law???