Which way do you counter-steer?

**Colapop** · 20th September 2006, 19:32

Yeah, printed that at work today... some reading for me...

**sunhuntin** · 20th September 2006, 20:09

i just do whatevers natural...like str8, i can also steer with one hand, but not on sharp turns [have tried it, and didnt feel safe] i actually find it makes the turn easier to take, funnily enough. i dont know whether im pushing or pulling...each corner is different, no matter how many times i take it.

whats fun, is ive just discovered countersteering with the feet...good fun! got one corner that is wicked for that....basically, im leaning right, and pushing down with my left foot...essentially, im hanging off the bike a bit. good fun. pity its in a 50 zone

**Finn** · 20th September 2006, 20:46

Interesting point. I will answer this drawing from my years of experience as a top international superbike rider and as a weekend tourer.

There are two types of counter steering methods that take place:

1) Subconscious counter steering
2) Conscious counter steering

The difference between the two is that an inexperienced rider will be subconsciously counter steering without knowing it where and experienced rider will do both, but will also now when and how to throw the bitch onto its side and nail that corner.

**ruphus** · 20th September 2006, 20:52

pusher here....

**beyond** · 20th September 2006, 20:54

Originally Posted by ruphus

pusher here....

Hello Pusher.

**Edbear** · 21st September 2006, 07:24

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

but if I'm at the track I am definitely a lot more active on the bar.

They have Bars at the track....?

**onearmedbandit** · 21st September 2006, 14:12

Yup, but I don't hit that one until after the day is done!

**rocketman1** · 25th September 2006, 19:33

I definitely push, and drop your inside elbow a bit, maybe use a bit of pressure on the inside footrest, slight knee pressure against the tank for the outside leg.
Keep your head level ie dont tilt your head, or you won't know where you are, watch the Moto GP boys heads, always level, most people do all this anyway without yhinking about it, especially the old Motocross boys.

**Balding Eagle** · 12th October 2006, 20:57

All the books that I have read recommend pushing on the side you want to turn towards. I find it works well although I have tried pulling on the other side. In this case I have found you are able to get more leverage and you can easily over do it. I could give you a full explanation of gyroscopic precession and the forces involved but I suspect you would end up asleep before you got to the end. The guts of it is that you probably counter steer without fully realising it.

**Edbear** · 12th October 2006, 21:13

Seems the general concensus here is that we're all pushing it...

**mart1** · 12th October 2006, 21:26

I like to pull my bar, sometimes i use both hands.

**mynameis** · 13th October 2006, 15:49

Originally Posted by kiwifruit

have a read of "a twist of the wrist 2"
its hosted here: http://terminaladdict.com/Twist.pdf

Would you by any chance know if there's Volume 1 floating around somewhere? Thanks for this mate

mynameis

**Skyryder** · 13th October 2006, 18:41

Originally Posted by zeocen

I'm sure there's a billion threads on this, and I could come up with some sort of reason like how I want an up to date opinion and what not, but the fact of the matter is I'm just too lazy to search.

SO!

Which way do you counter-steer? I've been taking my strides in getting confidence in my bike around suburbia hell, and i've found that, say, if I want to turn left I push the left bar and go in.. however some other people find that they rather pull on the right handle bar to go into the same corner - all producing the same end effect.

What I want to know is either way better than the other? Or does it just come down to personal preference?

Thanks !

If you have to think what you are doing, you are doing something wrong, and that's thinking what you are doing. There is enough shit out there so think about that instead. That's advice not a dig at you. Could be a life saver.

The best advice I can give is to look where you are going and you will go where you are looking. Stay focused on the vanishing point of the corner. When that becomes natural, you can then, and only then begin to analyse what is happening. This in no ways means that you should get into bad habits as these will be difficult to overcome. But just go into the corners and follow your line or to be more correct, control your line. Bloody big difference. As you become more confident the line control will be better and faster.

Just go with the flow and may the Force be with you.

Skyryder