Speeding (again...)

[750Y]

Thanks for clearing some of that up spud. kinda nice to hear it from the horses mouth so to speak. I thought that was a pretty objective reply.
and as moko pointed out, we all know the rules and the penalties associated so from that perspective there's really no problem.. it's the ol... 'do the crime do the time' thing which even a simpleton like me can understand.
so enough on speeding from me now, i'll go looking for another post to rant in 8-)

[pete376403]

If all of us (my self included) who are against the current LTSA regime spent as much time letter writing to the local MP, etc, as we do posting here, then it's possible a change may occur.
Wonderful as this site is, ranting here against Govt policy is pissing in the wind.

[spudchucka]

You can dress the situation up with policy waffle all you like Spud. But try and consider who makes the policy and why?
They're not going to say to the general dogsbody cop, " go out there and write 3 irrelevant tickets per hour because they Government likes getting an extra billion in revenue and we'll get more dosh from them".

You've lost the plot,

[Wenier]

after wut spud has said it points out the fact that you have to target the companies/organisations that fund the police to change their revenue gathering so to speak.

[Posh Tourer :P]

You can dress the situation up with policy waffle all you like Spud. But try and consider who makes the policy and why?
They're not going to say to the general dogsbody cop, " go out there and write 3 irrelevant tickets per hour because they Government likes getting an extra billion in revenue and we'll get more dosh from them".

You've forgotten the difference between contacts and tickets Lou. I guess 1-2 tickets an hour cant be hard to do, the other 1-2 contacts need only be community service like chatting to a motorcyclist stuck on the side of the motorway....

[Gixxer 4 ever]

Hi 750Y

Does anyone think of the police as "your friendly neighbourhood bobby" any more. Get your house broken into, your privacy violated and possessions nicked and see how easy it is to get the police interested (I speak from personal experience)...they really are too busy to spend their scarce resources.....makes you wonder

This is a point I made in another post. Look I have always been happy to help the cops on the street when they are out numbered and or need help. Never ask for anything back. I got a ticket for a good sum for doing a reasonable speed recently. Pissed off? you bet. I passed a truck and there was nothing else on the road. Only a cop hiding in the bushes in the dark. Good on you prick. Would I help him when he needed help now? Probably but I have to say I have a different view of the traffic cops now. Also I find I think of the police in the same light. Sad really as some of the locals ride and I spend time with them. The bottom line is I always admired the cops and was prepared to help out now they are just another thing to look out for.
This sounds like sour grapes and it is to a point but I stay in side the law and get shit back for it. Step a few ks's over the limit ( alright a few more than that but ) and get skinned. No interest at all to what has passed over the years before.

[Gixxer 4 ever]

You've lost the plot,

Question for you Spudchucker? When you pull some one over do you have a discretionary fine? Ie can you determine the fine relating to the attitude etc of the person you have pulled over or is the fine set and short of another offence you can not increase or decrease the amount? I suppose I should know this but I don't.

[Mongoose]

Lets all listen to Spudman. Get a good tooth hold on the pillow and let the Gummint extract your cash without protest.

Lou, hows about you go get some finacial backing and turn into a full time lobiest at the Beehive, give you some where to target your campaign and maybe leave your dorky ideas off this forum.

[Lou Girardin]

Lou, hows about you go get some finacial backing and turn into a full time lobiest at the Beehive, give you some where to target your campaign and maybe leave your dorky ideas off this forum.

Donations gratefully accepted.

[spudchucka]

Question for you Spudchucker? When you pull some one over do you have a discretionary fine? Ie can you determine the fine relating to the attitude etc of the person you have pulled over or is the fine set and short of another offence you can not increase or decrease the amount? I suppose I should know this but I don't.

There are two types of traffic "citations", (for want of a better word I'll use the USA lingo). An "Infringement Offence Notice" is a instant fine, the amount of the fine is predetermined and the officer has no discretion as to the fine amount. A "Traffic Offence Notice" does not carry an instant fine, if you get one of these you will have an appointment with the Court in the near future. These are for such offences as Careless, Dangerous, Reckless, EBA, Boy Racer Offences, generally the more serious stuff. You will have a Court appearance and if you plead guilty or are later proven guilty the Court will determine the appropriate penalty. There are guidlines the Court must follow, example, for EBA the Court must impose the minimum of a 6 month disqualification for 1st time drink driving offences.

Sometimes cops will discount a speeding ticket by a few K's to give the driver a smaller fine and less demerits, thats about the only means of discretion in terms of the actual amount a fine will cost you.

[spudchucka]

Lou, hows about you go get some finacial backing and turn into a full time lobiest at the Beehive, give you some where to target your campaign and maybe leave your dorky ideas off this forum.

I can see Lou and Kieth Locke being great mates.

[madandy]

There are two types of traffic "citations", (for want of a better word I'll use the USA lingo....

...sometimes cops will discount a speeding ticket by a few K's to give the driver a smaller fine and less demerits, thats about the only means of discretion in terms of the actual amount a fine will cost you.

Why would an officer do this? If the radar says 126 who are you to write 114 on the ticket for a friendly face or special sob story?

[FROSTY:Me]

I would be happy with speeding tickets if the money was actually going back to the cops to pay for real policing
not going to pay for some fatcat politician to go buy another pair of undies

[Bob]

You would really hate what happens in the UK then. You'll probably know we have a lot of fixed position speed cameras in place.

They generate a lot of revenue (fair enough, if you speed through one, you deserve to get fined - they are bright yellow and have "speed camera" signs in place before you get to them. I could rant about how badly some of them are marked up, but that is another issue for another day).

So what happens to all that revenue? Fund more police officers perhaps? Nah. The money generated by the cameras goes to purchase... more speed cameras.

OK, some money has to be put aside for their upkeep and if a road meets the criteria then a new one goes in ... and they cost money. But surely the bulk of the money should be going into something other than just increasing the number of cameras being installed?

[madandy]

But that shows a true commitment to enforcing the speed limit.Soon there will be so many cameras you wont be able to speed at all, on those camera'd roads without getting your piccy taken, there by making every one stick to or below the posted limit.
Here the cameras are so far apart you can easily speed along for an hour or more in many places before the next income collection point.