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For a minute I thought you and Finn were ganging up on me. Then I realised that you are serious. So if Harley=moral, upright, churchgoing citizens, and the Jappers=the gays, what do those that ride Italian bikes=academics??Originally Posted by John Banks
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Free Scott Watson.
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Und zer Germans, vher do ve wit in?
Ja, I zee it now. Zer Harleys is der upstanding moral zitizens, der Japps is der gays, der Eyties is der academics. Und ve are ignored.
ZIS MEANS WAR!
Ve will roll our Panzers over you und zen VE will be zer leaders , und zer MotorRadenReich will last vor ein zounsand years!
von Klunken is already beside himself with excitement.
Soft & Squishy core Biker
what do those that ride Italian bikes=academics??
Skyryder
broke?......
...and I don't wanna die, just want to ride my motorcy...cle (Arlo Guthrie)
Still Ridin'
According to Yeshua, he came, not to replace the law (Mosaic/Leviticine/Judaic Laws) but to fulfil it and that not one jot or tittle of it would pass away.
"Blessed is he who is zealous in the law", quoth he.
Yet the modern Christians use the "oh but that's the Old Testament" excuse for not adhering to those very laws and claim the Yeshua has made a "New Covenant" yet their tolerance for breaches of the law seems to extend only to the eating of unclean animals, allowing women to speak in church, wearing clothing of mixed fibres etc. In the areas of compassion and acceptance and love for one's fellow humans (areas in which, they are quick to point out, Yeshua was an exemplar) they fall back on the OT and say "homosexuality is a sin" and start trotting out Soddom and Gomorrah to justify not behaving in the least like the person they purport to want to be like.
Funny how the "New Covenant" allows them to sin in a variety of ways, defiling the temples of their bodies with unclean foods etc yet does not allow them to accept the "sins" of their homosexual "brethren" in a Christian fashion.
The modern idea of what sins the "New Covenant" allows and disallows seems very "convenient" to me.
If homosexuality is a hell-worthy sin, then so are aspects of the lives of every Christian alive today, for not one jot or tittle of those laws have been erased or replaced. And according to scripture, merely thinking of murder is the same as doing it, so 'twould seem YHVH does not play the "shades of grey"/"greater and lesser sin" game - a Christian who allows a woman to speak in church or eats pork is just as damned as a homosexual.
Alternatively, Yeshua has brought a New Covenant and all of the ancient Jewish laws are redundant, replaced by "honour God thy father" and "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" - meaning the unjust treatment of homosexuals (or anyone else perceived to be "sinning") is failure to follow the footsteps of Yeshua.
I have often been told by Christians that a person cannot just decide what bits of the bible they are prepared to accept - fornicators and homosexuals cannot carry on as they have and expect "God's Forgiveness" yet those same Christians themselves decide that ham and pinapple on croissants, bacon and eggs and pork chops are perfectly acceptable and that God accepts the way they are.
Please tell me what part of the bible it says "ignore these ancient laws but still adhere to these ones". Which scripture says "forget all the kosher shit but continue to stick it to the fornicators (of which I have been one - still am, if you take the narrow viewpoint on marriage I have known some Christians to take) and the homosexuals."? Is there a passage in the NT listing which of the many OT laws are now redundant that I have somehow missed? Or was it more succinct? Is there a passage where Yeshua says "Do what you like, just don't fornicate - especially not with members of your own sex."?
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I'm not going to bother reading this thread.
I see it in two ways.
Firstly they are a religous group who base their principles on the bible, homos, defacto = bad. Which is fair enough, why should they change? If you don't like the decision then it's too fucking bad, change church?
But, in this day in age equality is an issue. While this is important, we are still talking about a group who follow the ideals/beliefs WHATEVER from the bible and christianity.
So while I think equality is important, this just isn't this right place to fighting for equality.
Still Ridin'
In short, all those who follow the Geneva or KJV bibles, including the Baptists...
Following ALL the OT Laws - not just the ones regarding fornication, adultery and homosexuality - is something ALL Christians struggle with.
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The 2nd-most bad arse KBer.
The food thing applies to jews not christians. And god said himself that the rule was only for old testerment times (when jew-day-ism) was the only way to heven (i.e only jews could get to heven....)
Check out acts chapter 10.
The reason for this is that, jesus came to save all people who will choose to follow him not just jews. The reason this jew food thing was made redundent was that jews would not talk to the unclean gentiels (sp? means people who arnt jews) and becuase they ate "unclean" food they would not eat with them. Acts 10 shows that jesus wanted to save everyone and that the unclean food had been made clean.
http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/acts/acts10.htm
So your point on that accepting only bits of what the bible says is wrong, is correct. But you were miss informed on the food thing.
Now on to the homosexuality thing. The bible is clear that this is not accepted by God.
But also hating people is not accepted by God.
So it is just as wrong for the chirstian to have signs "God hates fags" as it to be a homosexual.
God hates sin, not the sinner.
at least to the best of my understanding!
Then I could get a Kb Tshirt, move to Timaru and become a full time crossdressing faggot
Still Ridin'
RM:
Wolf also said:
Something about women talking in church, people wearing clothes of mixed fibres and other OT laws blithely ignored by Christians as "redundant".
The fact remains that a lot of the OT is written off as "that does not apply to Christians", "that's just the Old Testament", "that only applies to the Jews" - until you get to the stone the faggots, adulterers and fornicators bits, then it's all "righteous anger" and attack the "sinner".
I have met a couple of Christians (fortunately a minority) who have deemed that my marriage is not valid because I am not a Christian and "only Christians can get married" because "only God can make you married", ergo: in their eyes I am still a "fornicator" and "living in sin" because a secular marriage or a marriage under any other religious system other than Christianity "doesn't count" in the eyes of these people.
Nice of them to take it upon themselves to do God's job and judge what is, and is not, marriage and who is, and is not, a "sinner"...
I'm sure they sit down in their cotton-polyester garments while their wives address the church (wearing cotton/nylon blend dresses and wool/acrylic mix cardigans) about the evils of fornication and feel glad that they are "properly married" unlike all those secular "fornicators" out there...
The majority of Christians I have no problem with - if they secretly deem my marriage to be invalid, they haven't made my life living Hell about it or got on their high horse - perhaps they don't have the particular prejudice against "fornicators" that others seem to have, or perhaps they deem secular marriages do count or perhaps they know that they're not obeying all of "God's Laws" as well and are not hypocrites...
Those who do get on their high horse, I have no difficulty in judging to be total hypocrite - after all, in judging me they have invited me to judge them (they do live by the "Golden Rule" do they not?).
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fuck them man, its their organisation, if people dont like it, then find a church that does, i mean, the bible does say that christains shouldn't be gay...so no big surprises there.
I went to a catholic school, now i was/am not catholic, but it seems pathetic when they pick up a bible and say "well, you cant take this part literally, and this dont actually mean what it blatantly says..."
if you cant take your own "book" seriously i cant take you seriously.
Hardcore Biker
Women not allowed to talk in church IS New Testament (Corinthians). A little tidbit to remember, no one can say it only applies to Jews - in fact, it DOESN'T apply to Jews, only applies to Christians.
Still Ridin'
So it's not echoed in the myriad of OT Laws? Interesting.
So only the Amish, the Mennonites and the Quakers are going to heaven, then. Cool, I like them - they keep themselves to themselves and don't bug me - they deserve to go to heaven...
Motorbike Camping for the win!
The 2nd-most bad arse KBer.
Women talking in church was a culture thing. It was custom for women not to speak in the synagouge (sp - jews temple) It is not a christian rule.
Women preaching now that is a differnt story. The main reason the bible states that women should not preach is becuase eve tempted adam to sin, this is also why women should cover there heads in church and men should not cover their heads.
Not sure about this mixed fibers thing never heard anything about that.
Not sure on your marriage thing either. I've never heard of being a sin to get married if you wernt christian, although maybe they were thinking along the lines of you didnt get married by a pastor? I can't comment on this as I don't know anything about it.
Civil unions are a differnt story
As far as judging you a sinner goes. God said every one (including christians myself and you) has sinned and fallen short of the glory of god. Your marriage has nothing to do with that(due to the fact you sinned beofre you got married).
Then I could get a Kb Tshirt, move to Timaru and become a full time crossdressing faggot
Scotsman on a German
I have chosen to disbelieve most of the Old Testament - and have turned my back on all organised religion.
If we believe in the OT then we must believe that God is Shortsighted, petulant, self centred and a bit of a spoilt brat..he makes something..gives it free will...it doesn't do what he wants so Drowns it/Turns it to stone/salt etc.(treats it pretty shabbily)..so we are left with a choice - believe in a petulant spoilt deity and kiss arse so we don't get fried or we believe in a God that is truly sublime and perfect in all ways in which case we can consign the whole Old Testament to the bin as being apocryphal or at least wildly inaccurate for the most part.
Religion is basically a political tool to allow those in power to control those who are not in power but substantially outnumber those that are in power. It was written by men - there were many other writings of the same time period as each of the writings in the OT but they were discarded by the powers at the time coz they didn't fit their political agenda.
Organised religion is what takes man further from God not lack of religion - abandon the word and embrace the spirit.
The New Testament has prolly been f*cked about with too for political gain.
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Oh, He is, He is. A right BASTARD He can be . But,nicely innovative in his destruction, don't you think, so much more interesting than the pagan deities, who never get beyond a thunderbolt up the jaxsie.
Scotsman on a German
Maybe he wants to be the next Bond baddie - they're the same - always gloating, always taking half an hour to kill the good guy.
Never the good ol' double tap to the head.
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