Presbyterians reverse decision

**Wolf** · 2nd October 2006, 13:17

Originally Posted by Ixion

Oh, He is, He is. A right BASTARD He can be . But,nicely innovative in his destruction, don't you think, so much more interesting than the pagan deities, who never get beyond a thunderbolt up the jaxsie.

Hey, that's not true and you should well know it, O cloud-fucker!

And then there's ol' Tantalus, Prometheus and a raft of others who can testify to the imaginatiopn of pagan deities...

**Paul in NZ** · 2nd October 2006, 13:19

Originally Posted by Ixion

Und zer Germans, vher do ve wit in?

Ja, I zee it now. Zer Harleys is der upstanding moral zitizens, der Japps is der gays, der Eyties is der academics. Und ve are ignored.

ZIS MEANS WAR!

Ve will roll our Panzers over you und zen VE will be zer leaders , und zer MotorRadenReich will last vor ein zounsand years!

von Klunken is already beside himself with excitement.

Ach! Der Germans are der 'Steve Irwin' types riding around der planet (quietly) on massive off road bikes (panzers in disguise) complaining about the lack of order

**Zed** · 2nd October 2006, 14:10

Originally Posted by McJim

I have chosen to disbelieve most of the Old Testament - and have turned my back on all organised religion.

If we believe in the OT then we must believe that God is Shortsighted, petulant, self centred and a bit of a spoilt brat..he makes something..gives it free will...it doesn't do what he wants so Drowns it/Turns it to stone/salt etc.(treats it pretty shabbily)..so we are left with a choice - believe in a petulant spoilt deity and kiss arse so we don't get fried or we believe in a God that is truly sublime and perfect in all ways in which case we can consign the whole Old Testament to the bin as being apocryphal or at least wildly inaccurate for the most part.

I've chosen to hold back my thoughts in this here thread, except for my initial post, but McJim that's just too much of a gross misrepresentation of my God to allow going unanswered! Now before I refute your false assertions please answer me this one question - have you ever read through and studied the entire Old Testament?

**McJim** · 2nd October 2006, 14:24

Originally Posted by Zed

I've chosen to hold back my thoughts in this here thread, except for my initial post, but McJim that's just too much of a gross misrepresentation of my God to allow going unanswered! Now before I refute your false assertions please answer me this one question - have you ever read through and studied the entire Old Testament?

Hey dude, did you actually read my post? Not having a go at God - just having a go at the Word of MAN that tries to pass itself off as the word of God.....and a Scottish Presbyterian upbringing is what has put me off organised religion in the first place to answer your question.

Anyway - I'm here for the laffs and the bikes and I can't find either in the thread so shan't be back to this one. Where's Dover? - he always cheers me up....

Awra besht.

Wee McJim Poo plop McPlop

**Zed** · 2nd October 2006, 15:00

Originally Posted by McJim

Hey dude, did you actually read my post? Not having a go at God - just having a go at the Word of MAN that tries to pass itself off as the word of God.....and a Scottish Presbyterian upbringing is what has put me off organised religion in the first place to answer your question.

Yeah mate I did read your post, about 3 times!

Fair enough about being put off 'organised religion' as a result of your upbringing, and no doubt you witnessed much hypocrisy, but you still didn't answer my question.

**The_Dover** · 2nd October 2006, 15:03

Here's MY god.

Bow down and worship, heathens.

**Wolf** · 2nd October 2006, 15:06

oh shit, Zed's called McJim "mate" - retreat to the bunkers, people...

**Wolf** · 2nd October 2006, 15:14

Originally Posted by Zed

What, don't Christ rejecting pagans like yerself use such terminology?

We do use the terminology - it means "good friend", it's not a preamble to a fight.

**The_Dover** · 2nd October 2006, 15:15

Do you wanna take this outside mate?

**McJim** · 2nd October 2006, 15:56

Cheers Zed - you just lost me a bet - I bet someone (that shall remain nameless) a beer that you weren't much of a religious zealot.

They said "Mention God and see how long before he bites" didn't take too long at all!

Happy riding...and seriously - I'm now off to look for a thread with bikes, laughs and perhaps titties in it.

**kro** · 2nd October 2006, 16:17

Hey come on guys, we were getting a damn good little discussion going here, lets not take it down "the bad road". I have lots of reading to do on this thread, as Wolf, Banksy, and Zed have thrown some interesting points into the fray, and I may stand to learn a thing or two here, so lets keep it civil.

**padre** · 2nd October 2006, 16:43

Originally Posted by Padre

Albigensian Cathars claimed the God of the old testament was in fact Satan in disguise, so irascible did they find his manners

But aren't we getting OT now. The original thing to ponder was...
"Gay and christian", a contradiction in terms or not? Yet the voice of gay christians has not been heard - so perhaps at least within Kiwi Biker ranks the question is moot. Anyone got a proudly gay bike?

**Ixion** · 2nd October 2006, 17:09

There are KBers who are both gay and Christian (no, not me ) . But I know of at least one.

**Zed** · 2nd October 2006, 17:14

Originally Posted by McJim

Cheers Zed - you just lost me a bet - I bet someone (that shall remain nameless) a beer that you weren't much of a religious zealot.

LOL no worries, but that was hardly zeal!

Originally Posted by McJim

They said "Mention God and see how long before he bites" didn't take too long at all!

Now to be fair, if you had only "mentioned God" I would have held my peace, this thread is all about God remember. But Mr McJim, you made some defamatory statements about God and the Bible that I believed needed rebutting, and that's why i took your bait - hook, line and sinker!

So i guess i'll never know if you've read through the entire Bible or not...