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**TLDV8** · 4th October 2006, 22:25

Originally Posted by adiddy

um i would have done about 9,000kms?! i have been coromandel, taupo rotorua, and done alot of local riding, waiukau, big bay, etc

That is a good broad range..Good for you.

........ but you would still have the problems mentioned by others,no full license which would mean no insurance payout and looking over your shoulder.
I thought the full license thing was only 9 months.

**gamgee** · 4th October 2006, 22:28

Originally Posted by TLDV8

I thought the full license thing was only 9 months.

only for really old people

**adiddy** · 4th October 2006, 22:29

sso i have done a bit of riding then ?! mmm bigger bike before christmas or smaller bike till next year?! umm no i think its only 12 months a, atm im on my elarners get my restricted very soon when i book it .. time and $ atm

**muzz** · 4th October 2006, 22:33

Originally Posted by adiddy

ok, so how old was ur second eldest muzz??
mmm i been riding offroad for years , but prefer the onroad stuff now more controllable

He was 17 at the time and he also understood that I wasn't going to bail him out if he got in the shit.

**gamgee** · 4th October 2006, 22:33

no, you shouldn't even consider a stepup until you've done around 20,000km of various stuff, at least 5000 of low speed town driving etc. because thats we're you really have to be on your toes ready to react to crazy shit, just enjoy it, it'll make it so much sweeter when you can finally stepup

**adiddy** · 4th October 2006, 22:35

ok, so i guess stick to the 250? mmm would there be a difference if i sold and bought something newer then a 1988?

**gamgee** · 4th October 2006, 22:37

Originally Posted by adiddy

ok, so i guess stick to the 250? mmm would there be a difference if i sold and bought something newer then a 1988?

like a 4 cylinder, yeah it'd be a bit quicker, but there also a shitload more expensive, like around $7000 for a good cond cbr250rr that'd be around a 94 model

**adiddy** · 4th October 2006, 22:39

it would make it easier on a quik 250 that could say barel along at about 180?! lol

**gamgee** · 4th October 2006, 22:41

Originally Posted by adiddy

it would make it easier on a quik 250 that could say barel along at about 180?! lol

haha, it'd be a bit quicker off the mark, but top speed wise, maybe only 10-20km/h difference

**mynameis** · 4th October 2006, 22:42

Originally Posted by adiddy

awesome stuff there!
lol can i ask for your opinion on a 400?
at the moment its like waiting for paint to dry this whole licsence thing anyone know where to get it shortened quickly ! very quickly?

You can always slash a few months off by doing a defensive riding course. I know what the wait is like but there are probably some very good reasons why the system is the way it is. In my opinion it’s always worth a wait.

Reason why I would not step up to a 600, considering a few things like age, skill level, and licence are:

1. Cost of a decent 600cc bike.
2. It’s human nature to push yourself further and with less skills risk increases.
3. Increased risk of binning as you’re jumping straight from a 20 something horsepower bike to 100 plus in most cases.
4. If you bin you’re practically screwed with no insurance you’d have to foot the bill yourself.
5. Bin into an expensive cage you’re screwed further.
6. You’ll get shit from your mates if you own a 600 and can’t ride for peanuts.
7. Not a good idea to push, learn, improve and develop your skills further in comparison to a 250 for reasons stated above.

Have you ridden your 250 out to the max or it just doesn’t have enough grunt? Leaned the bike as far as it can be leaned? Strips less than 5mm? Been out to Puke and done less than a 1.30? From my understanding that’s all possible on a GPX 250 and correct me if I am wrong.

400cc would be a wise decision in my opinion because:

1. Nice and small step up from a 250, so from 20 something horsepower to 40 plus.
2. Bike’s weight and size is slightly more. Would be easier to learn and adjust.
3. In some cases you might be able to get an exemption to ride one legally hence insured. So if you bin your little ass is covered.
4. Not much more expensive than what you have now so you’d be saving a whole lot of serious dough’s for a real bike.
5. If you don’t get exemption and insurance and bin then you’ll have less sleep less nights compared to when you’d bin an expensive 600.
6. But again if don’t get an exemption and insurance and hit a BMW than you’re screwed.

Overall risks are much lower on a 400 than a 600 based on my way of thinking. It all boils down to peoples’ opinion at the end of the day. Either way good luck with your decision.

mynameis

**TLDV8** · 4th October 2006, 22:44

Originally Posted by gamgee

only for really old people

Thank God i'm not old

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Originally Posted by adiddy

sso i have done a bit of riding then ?! mmm bigger bike before christmas or smaller bike till next year?! umm no i think its only 12 months a, atm im on my elarners get my restricted very soon when i book it .. time and $ atm:

Sure,that is some great mileage for a new rider... If you get the restricted you could be on a 600 by May next year,it will come around soon enough.
It's easy to sound wise now,all i have to do is say the opposite of what i would have done 30 years ago...

I have been riding a while and still have plenty to learn.... One day i am going to stop being a sissy and try a track day and some rider courses.

I feel some pics coming on.... 1976..1977..1980..1983.

**muzz** · 4th October 2006, 22:50

adiddy: stick with your 250 for another year mate and save your bucks and get something decent.
If you think that a road bike is more controllable when you step up you will understand that that isn't always the case.
More power needs more control.

**Wenier** · 4th October 2006, 23:11

Yea man stick with the 250, if ya up'd ya 250 to a ZXR, GSXRR, CBRRR then it would be faster than ya current one and give ya more skill for a 600.

And as said ya wont get insurance, all the companies i have talked to ask for what class you are on so ya get stopped right there. Also as mentioned the third party fire and theft i was told couldnt be done like mentioned earlier also.

I am only 21 and have a 600 which is a blast but before i got it i had a ZXR250 and could ride the shit out of that thing before i even stepped up. Also even if you think your brain will control your wrist, since you've got all that power on tap in the 600 you will just open it up at times.

Now i dont consider myself an awesome rider but have been told by various people im not bad but ya cant let that go to ya head, i went to the race track a couple of weekends ago and had the back driftin out of a corner, would of been a highside moment had i not caught it, but that is how unpredictable it can get. There was no reason for it to step out like that on a corner i'd done over and over the same on this track but it did. And thats what would probably catch ya out on the road.

**Edbear** · 5th October 2006, 06:28

Interesting that most of the replies here seem to say "never mind the law, never mind the parents" only consider your skill.

Seems that to be logical, if one freely chooses to ignore "inconvenient" laws at will and ignore parents, one would never consider calling on the law enforcers or one's parents for help when things turn to custard.

At 18, you will pretty much do as you please, but I hope you aren't living at home bludging off your parents with such an attitude and I hope that if you get caught breaking the law you will say, "Fair cop, Guv, I deserve the consequences."

Makes one wonder about your relationship with your parents. Do you love them and do they love you, or is your home a battlefied of discontent. Do you respect them?

My 2c.