Impressed at the Amish

[iwilde]

I'm not a Christian, but I feel for their loss as a Father of one girl and another girl arriving in Feb. I'm afraid all I feel is anger at how someone can be this cruel, but I don't think that I'm a less of a person for feeling anger. Religion plays no part when inocent children are victims.

[WINJA]

Those Girls Had Courage Beyond Belief, I Got A Lot Of Respect For Them , Rip

[SARGE]

I'm not a Christian, but I feel for their loss as a Father of one girl and another girl arriving in Feb. I'm afraid all I feel is anger at how someone can be this cruel, but I don't think that I'm a less of a person for feeling anger. Religion plays no part when inocent children are victims.

trust me man .. i am the least religious person you will ever meet.. and there is no way in hell i would forgive..

i am also a father and i am furious that this happened to children.. this guy was obviously the highest level of coward..

Amish female children.. no chance in hell of anything going sideways there or anyone fighting back.. a real freakin hero..

[Smorg]

Its like age of empires. Its simple but comfortable.

do they ever run out of wood to chop? I hate that shit then you have to go building trade centres waste of resources those fucken trade centres.................

[elle-f]

yep i have been reading quite a bit about how they have handled the tragedy and they are impressive for sure. no doubt something like that will strengthen their resolve to stay out of the wider world because of the issues faced there. Its a tragedy for sure when anything like this happens.

i cant understand why that guy just didnt shoot himself - he is a wank

[Edbear]

trust me man .. i am the least religious person you will ever meet.. and there is no way in hell i would forgive..

i am also a father and i am furious that this happened to children.. this guy was obviously the highest level of coward..

Amish female children.. no chance in hell of anything going sideways there or anyone fighting back.. a real freakin hero..

You and I may be complete opposites in many ways, Sarge, but many do seem to have a naieve, (sp), view of Christian forgiveness. Christ said that if our brother/sister comes to us and begs forgiveness for something they have done wrong, we should forgive them. What this lowlife did was beyond humanity, beyond animal behaviour and there is nothing in the Bible that says we should simply forgive and forget this sort of act.

What he did was deserving of the death penalty. There may be some psychological reason for it as has been mentioned in the media, but people should still be held responsible for their actions - something sadly lacking these days.

[Ixion]

Forgiveness is not incompatible with punishment. Forgiveness is the relinquishing of personal hatred. Leaving the wrongdoer to the authorities to deal with. Or God.

It would be perfectly possible to forgive someone an ill they have done you but still want them punished for it. We do not have to "forgive and forget".

[Edbear]

I had to go check the dictionary, Ixion! I agree that being able to "let go" of resentment is healthier than harbouring it, and that we may forgive our children, for example a wrong, whilst at the same time punishing them for it. But the dictionary defines forgiveness as, "to cease to blame or hold resentment against someone", and " to free or pardon someone from penalty".

I guess, I mean that bit about "cease to blame" and to "free from penalty".

I'm not sure what I'd do in these circumstances myself, but I know how much my wife and children mean to me and if anyone were to invade my home and threaten them, I wouldn't stand back and watch, which I'm sure is true for everyone here.

[SARGE]

You and I may be complete opposites in many ways, Sarge, but many do seem to have a naieve, (sp), view of Christian forgiveness. Christ said that if our brother/sister comes to us and begs forgiveness for something they have done wrong, we should forgive them. What this lowlife did was beyond humanity, beyond animal behaviour and there is nothing in the Bible that says we should simply forgive and forget this sort of act.

What he did was deserving of the death penalty. There may be some psychological reason for it as has been mentioned in the media, but people should still be held responsible for their actions - something sadly lacking these days.

wow .. never been accused of being naive before .. the Amish affected in this have already stated publicly that they have forgiven this coward..

i wouldnt / couldnt.. but at the end of the day .. he is dead.. who would you hold ill will towards? .. his wife who had NO idea what she was living with ??. .. his children?..

i think the Amish religion is the most mature religion on the planet

[Edbear]

wow .. never been accused of being naive before .. the Amish affected in this have already stated publicly that they have forgiven this coward..

i wouldnt / couldnt.. but at the end of the day .. he is dead.. who would you hold ill will towards? .. his wife who had NO idea what she was living with ??. .. his children?..

i think the Amish religion is the most mature religion on the planet

Sorry,should have been more succinct. Not meaning you were naive, but some are.

I personally agree with your sentiments. Though not having personal experience of the Amish this incident motivates me to learn a bit more about them. I know of another religion with similar attitudes, though not pacifistic per se. Not sure if the Amish are, either, though. I'll do some study about them.

[Lou Girardin]

I haven't told the half of it. Can you imagine the (former Amish) Marine (he got really upset when I called him "ex-marine" once) in IT business?
But seriously, I probably should have mentioned that the guy grew up in the Amish community in Ohio, then left home at some stage, joined the Corps, served in Vietnam and Japan, then got discharged and went to the IT business. Builds Shaker furniture at spare time. Amazing dude, I respect him enormously.

Sounds like perfect Amish poster boy. I'd respect him more if he stayed true to his people.

[scumdog]

Witness. If that's not a repost.

Skyrder

And 'Kingpin', don't forget 'Kingpin'.

[Rogue Rider]

Yes I would concurr, they are very honourable people who live and show example of a good Godly example. If there was a testiment to Godly living and hospitality they certainly exert that with impressive determination. I am a beleiver in God, I struggle with being judgmental and material a bit, its hard to live to a standard when fleshly ways pull all the time. I would also struggle a bit with the ill feeling towards the person who did harm against my children, I can only imagine the turmoil of feeling toward someone who murdered, assualted or mollested my children. I guess that show my humanistic qualities, none of us a perfect. I guess thats great though as God doesn't require us to be perfect thankfully, and he also lets me ride a bike. I couldn't survive as Amish, I'd miss my bike too much I think LoL.
The closest group we have to the Amish here in NZ are the Exclusive Brethren, I know they cop alot of flack for keeping to themselves, and for the things they support, but on a whole they stick to very similar principles of the Old Testiment, but they have cars. They are also extremely wealthy and successful and support themselves. They do not depend on the state or external institutions for finacial aid.
God is good, hopefully I will live as good a life as I can for him.

[Lou Girardin]

The closest group we have to the Amish here in NZ are the Exclusive Brethren, I know they cop alot of flack for keeping to themselves, and for the things they support, but on a whole they stick to very similar principles of the Old Testiment, but they have cars. They are also extremely wealthy and successful and support themselves. They do not depend on the state or external institutions for finacial aid.
God is good, hopefully I will live as good a life as I can for him.

How can you relate the Amish to those bastard hypocrite Brethren.
They don't vote, but they want to influence elections.
They are pacifists, but support the Iraq invasion.
They run commercial businesses, but want exemptions from labour laws because they are a 'religeon'.
And they all look inbred.

[Wolf]

The Brethren are so far removed from the Amish, one would be excused for believing they worship different gods.

The Brethren are one of the most materialistic, money-centred groups on the planet.