Two dead after police chase of motorcyclist

[Mitch]

This reflects badly on all of us!!  Did any of you hear that the same night there was another police/motorcycle chase, this one the bike was stolen, it ended in the stolen bike and wanker bike theif wedged under a parked car.  Hardly even made the news. FUNNY THAT.

I work for Triumph NZ and have had one call after another from journalists wanting a comment..................ON WHAT????  We import the bike's so it must be our fault, go figure.

I think the police need some form of hard-on restraint when it comes to this kind of thing.  They are definetly partially responsibly for the death of that young girl. 

I think it would be an interesting time to shut of the "Would you run from the police poll" and restart it.  Then compare the results.

Ride safe all. 

[wari]

Originally posted by Mitch
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I think the police need some form of hard-on ...

hu hu hu hu hu (you know that funny laugh) ... you said hard-on

... sorry this is a serious topic.

[NhuanH]

Mitch,

So what flavour of Triumph was it then?  More red in later pictures that I have seen of it, versus the pink I intially thought I saw.  So maybe not the Speed Triple?

 

[Mitch]

To be honest I could only hazard a guess as to what it was, I saw a single seat and you mentioned a single sided swing arm, could be a speed triple but i'd put my money on a Daytona, The 2 bikes are very similar without any body work on. 

Wari you cracked a funny teehee    

 

[Motu]

Most definetly the bikes fault - Triumph needs to pay dearly for this,their motorcycle took a young man to his death,and also another inocent bystander.I think an imediate ban on the sale of all motorcycles is in order,all motorcycles in current use need to be handed in for disposal.I offer my premises and personal services for the collection of said dangerous property.Please contact me with the details of your bike ASAP.

[Mitch]

Motu, I can't figure out from that if you love Triumph's or hate them   Be careful what you joke about though as that may not be such a far fetched idea.  Chances are that they would just make it more diffecult and expensive to own and ride a motorcycle than it already is.  

It looks like the only good outcome of this whole thing is that the cops are going to get caught lying like the bunch of gypo bastards that they are hehehe well not all of them    There is a witness that says he heard the bike, then sirens, then the crash, it happened outside his house.  I hope he lays a formal complaint about it. Called the chase off one minute before the crash MY ASS.

LESS BULLSHIT WOULD GO A LONG WAY IN THIS WORLD!!

 

[Motu]

The Triumphs that I loved are not the ones that you will see in your working day.I joke prompted by fear.

[Mitch]

I meant the politicians will cock it up Not the importers hehe

[bikerboy]

I'm sure after the police have a quite word with the witness he'll change his story or he'll be promoted as being less than trustworthy. Remember the guy who caught the all black drunk and fighting on video. Suddenly the police began a character assasination campaign against this guy, which had nothing to do with the video.

This witness will be discredited somehow or overlooked, just watch.

[SPman]

BB, such cynicism from one so young.............

I agree.

[SPman]

Mithch -from the photo in the Herald it looked like a top yoke mounted handlebar - Speed Triple

[Goddess of Goof]

Yes SP Man, it is the adrenaline - on both sides.

I've wondered often why the Police continue with a chase,

and then there's a nasty accident as a result. Wasn't there a guy who did a

U turn on the motorway exit and crashed ? There's heaps more examples.

I blame traffic police/ and police training, and whatever they teach them

about law, crime and criminology. 

Crime in society is perfectly normal.  You can expect it, plan for it.

Crime is drama. (The news media would die without it).

Something is pretty sick in contemporary society when we criminalise people for their behaviour  (eg speeding through the night on a fairly empty road - fast motorcycle - macho bloke) which maybe wouldn't have hurt anyone - if he hadn't been chased by Police.  They cast themselves as Heros in dramas of their own creation - chasing Villians - forgetting that they are just ordinary people on both sides.  Remember Police over-reaction in the fatal shooting at Waitara ?

Where's their humanity ? 

We all break the law sometime. Dosen't mean we are criminals.

[MikeL]

I mentioned in my original post on the un-pc thread that I thought his accident raises some complex moral issues. From the first few replies I was beginning to wonder whether I was out on a limb, as there was some quite vehement opposition to the suggestion that the police might be partly to blame. Since then there have been other viewpoints expressed, and I hope that those who reacted negatively to my comments can see that it is not a black-and-white, right or wrong matter. The more I learn of the circumstances, the more uneasy I feel about the role and actions of the police. I'm not on an anti-police crusade; law enforcement is an essential component of any justice system. But in a democracy we have not only the right but also, I think, the duty to examine critically any procedures, methods or policies that are in place, as well as individual actions, where people's rights (life, liberty, safety...) are put at risk. Some people would prefer the general public to accept unquestioningly decisions made and justifications put forward by those in authority, or to accept simplistic explanations. Other people admit that, for instance, the police sometimes get it wrong but are willing to allow the occasional injustice because they argue that exposing these weaknesses undermines the respect for authority on which they assume the whole basis of law and order depends. These are short-sighted arguments which ignore the longer-term view. History has many examples - e.g. the Dreyfus Affair. Without jumping to premature conclusions about this accident, I was interested to read this morning's news about the witnesses to the accident who flatly contradicted the police version. Two questions immediately spring to mind: 1. Why did the police originally (and presumably before they learnt of the witnesses) hasten to assure us that they had called off the chase well before the accident? 2. How will the police enquiry eventually deal with this inconsistency?

[bikerboy]

Unfortunately the answer to your two questions is the same as in the past.

The boy's in blue will close ranks, investigate themselves, determine their actions to be fair and appropriate and ignore any evidence to the contrary.

Just look back in recent history:
1. a man was strangled to death as the cops thought he was trying to swallow drugs, no drugs were found, police are cleared.
2. a young teenager was run over by police in parking lot. He was running from them, they pursued in the car and accidentally ran him over. His crime, being out past a curfew, police cleared.
3. Mentally disabled young man strangled in back of police car by officer trying to restrain him, police cleared
4. Man shot repeatedly (in back) by police for breaking windows, police cleared.
5. Officer tampers with evidence to frame suspect. Suspect was innocent, cop wasn't acting maliciously? so cleared.

Do I sense a pattern to all this?

[What?]

Originally posted by bikerboy
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5. Officer tampers with evidence to frame suspect. Suspect was innocent, cop wasn't acting maliciously? so cleared.

Do I sense a pattern to all this?

I can think of a few cases over the years. Most notable was the conviction of Arthur Thomas. You must wonder about a few others.

Yes there is a pattern. It goes like this: the court will believe a police officer over anybody else when it is one word against another. Just the same as speeding offences; there is no evidence, just the cops word that he caught you being naughty. The theory is that the cop has no axe to grind, therefore has no reason to lie. Or tamper with evidence. Or act as judge, jury and executioner. So they get away with it.