Two dead after police chase of motorcyclist

[wkid_one]

One could argue the point that the accident would never have happened if the police didn't chase the rider - therefore the accident is their fault - which is a true way of debating the argument.

One could also argue that the rider should never have run - therefore the accident would never have happened - so it was his fault.

One could also argue that the girl should not have gone and visited her sick grandfather and then driven home - being in the path of the fleeing rider - therefore causing the accident and placing blame on her - valid, but thin.

One could also blame Roading NZ for not working on that stretch of road - causing the rider to lose control and therefore crash in to the girl - placing blame on them

One could also blame the Sun for shining too brightly and blinding the rider - therefore causing the accident - we would have to find Billy Connolly for this one to sue God - because it would be his fault.

One could blame Mother Nature for the Bee that flew in to the riders helmet moments before impact, distracting the rider and causing the accident.

Do you notice a common theme - the word accident!!!!  The rider is at fault because he was the one riding illegally and chose to run.  Yes, the Police are partly responsible for possibly continuing the chase unduly - however the rider did choose to run from them and in the heat of the moment instincts take over.

However, this is still an accident - the rider chose to run - but would never have chosen to kill himself and another person.  It is a tragedy yes, but placing blame doesn't change what happened and doesn't make anyone feel any better......

[SPman]

Hear Hear! 

[Kwaka-Kid]

Put Like a true politician.. :P

haha well

[bluninja]

WKID yes accident is the key. However we should look at accidents to see if it's possible to reduce the likelhood of this accident occuring for future road users....and all factors should be fair game. Sadly there is little we can do for those that have died, but we can work to help reduce the risk of the same fate befalling others.......then we can have the debate about safety versus personal freedom.

TTFN

[festus]

You can argue this topic till the cows come home!.

So I'll put in my 2 cents worth for what it's worth!.

Cops must pursue, but only till the limits of safety are exceeded. If it becomes too dangerous for themselves, others on the road or the individual being pursued, then the cop must call it and stop the chase. This is set out in their procedures.

The problem is some of them don't know when to give up!, simple as that, let it be for pride, defeat, whatever, but I thought the max speed cops where allowed to chase out of city limits was 150kph?, this guy was clocked doing 190 kph?, that tells me the cop reached speeds of 190kph too. Not a good look!.

It's been said, they knew who this fella was, got his Regno, the cop should have abandoned the chase, and went and knocked on this guy's door later!.

That's me.

Festus

 

 

 

[750Y]

I was told by a police traffic commander(or whatever his title was) a while back that "there are no such thing as accidents, just crashes".

my last .02 on this too.

[bikerboy]

Typical police attitude. An accident is any unintended or unexpected result of an action.

One goes around a blind corner and hits a cow. This is an accident. One could argue if one went slow enough one would be able to stop in time.

This doesn't make the result not an accident just possibly a preventable one. Common sense and probability must play a part in determining an accident.

[Redstar]

good considered replys and this is a forum right?
and we all get to say what we think. and our opinions are the product of our lifes experience's
I'll shut up now.

[Kwaka-Kid]

and thats how i know hes over 50! :P  hahahA!

you just dont know that life shit or think about it when ur 17 :P all u think is "oh fuck, i broke my bike.. i wanna die.. oh fuck i broke up wif my mrs.. better go make the most of being single"

:P

[Redstar]

bollock! Im not but Im old enough to be yer father you whipper snapper you!

[Kwaka-Kid]

whoops! sorry! :P

*goes and sits in dark little room for 72 hours without food or water*

[SpankMe]

Well, the coroner’s inquest has said the cops WERE still chasing the guy on the speed triple when he crashed. And will they be punished for attributing to the cause of the accident and then lying about it. You bet they wont.

[PZR]

Originally posted by BigB
I keep asking myself why he crashed where he did, over slight brow flat sweeping left hander.

I did not see the TV program but the Herald claimed he had amphetamines and Marijuana in his blood . Don't supose this could have contributed by any chance could it??

[Marmoot]

You see......while people are busy arguing who gets the blame for the crash, they overlook the other problem that really gets into my nerve:
The police tendency to use their power and law to defend themselves regardless of what they do.

How the police superiors lie to protect their children as much as they can.
How the police bend the media to protect their interests.
How the police manipulate statistics and law.
And how the government always think they know what's best for us regardless of our views.

Oh well.....it's pretty normal for them to be like that anyway

Pitty those constables being put right in the squish between us and the power-that-be

[Kwaka-Kid]

marmoot i kinda agree with you

MAINLY about those costanbles!!! its not their fault, if you think they are directly to blame then you dont understand how much pressure is put upon them from above... for things like this you cant just flame the messanger... you need to go to the top.. and the top will only spread the blame out amongst the lower ones eso everybody recives 0.1% blame, if that, so it seems like none...its the way all systems like that work.. no one man you can hang by the balls...

anywh[o in my opinion they did perfect.