Good cop.... and no bad cop :)

[DEATH_INC.]

By all means defend it but do it for the right reasons. Taking it to Court just to waste "their" time is brainless, after all its a big company with lots of money. Who in the police or Courts would care if someone defends a traffic ticket?? They are in Court all the time and just one more person defending a traffic ticket isn't going to break the bank or cause anyone to lose sleep.

yeh,but maybe if the tosser has to waste his time in court too he may reconsider next time he dreams up some b/s ticket....

[bikerboy]

It is interesting that "spud" advocates fighting the ticket only on the basis of principle while stating the courts are only influenced by pragmatism.

While pragmatism would support clogging the courts with contesting all tickets in order to over turn the principled approach of prosecuting every citation regardless of merit or cost.

Hypocrisy?

[Andrew]

Bring him down man, bring him down to China town.
See that justice is done.

I've had tickets and I'd love to contest them. However due to my financial situation I can't afford to risk more $$ and be worse off. Instead my tickets get paid in full or drip fed but very very very slowly.

I still however feel I shouldn't be paying some out of principle, but what can I do about it?

I'm guessing this cop was acting unprofessionally in his duty and had some personal issues with you.

[spudchucka]

yeh,but maybe if the tosser has to waste his time in court too he may reconsider next time he dreams up some b/s ticket....

Cops are in Court all the time, one more hearing won't bother anyone.

[scumdog]

The whole story seems bizarre, get the ticket scanned onto this site so we can all see the details.
I would almost think you had been stopped by a "claytons cop", a wannabe with a stolen ticket book.
Doesn't sound too professional - if it is a true story.

[spudchucka]

It is interesting that "spud" advocates fighting the ticket only on the basis of principle while stating the courts are only influenced by pragmatism.

While pragmatism would support clogging the courts with contesting all tickets in order to over turn the principled approach of prosecuting every citation regardless of merit or cost.

Hypocrisy?

Wrong bikerboy. I said taking it to court to waste "their" time is brainless. If someone believes they have been wrongly ticketed they can defend it, that is their right.

Oxford dictionary defines "Pragmatism" as follows.

"thinking about solving problems in a practical and sensible way rather than by having fixed ideas or theories"

The courts are bound by the law, which is mostly black & white, not pragmatic.

What is practical or sensible about clogging up an already clogged up court system with sour graped motorists defending traffic fines that they should just shut up about and pay? All you are going to achieve is slowing down the wheels of justice for those who actually deserve it.

[marty]

F016 is an ex-mot cop.

hey BB, what is the qid (reg number) of your issuing cop? it sounds seriously dodgy, and he should have produced some ID. the only thing that i can think is that he had been at arms training or pct - a senior constable wouldn't have an unmarked car as personal use otherwise. i reckon that you have good grounds to have it waived on that issue alone.

[bikerboy]

Not wishing to fuel this anymore, however a few points of clarification....

Marty, the guy was an offduty detective, not a traffic cop, as I have since found out.

Spud, the "concept" of pragmatism means taking into account the context. Courts generally consider the situation involved (extenuating circumstances, etc.) as well as the law when handing out sentences, thus being pragmatic.

Fighting the ticket only because one is right, as you advocated, is principled. Fighting it to make a statement, slow things down, get attention, etc. irrespective of being right is pragmatic.

Learning the difference between concepts and literal definitions of words might enlighten you, but then that would conflict with the "us against them, right or wrong, black or white" dogmatic attitude of policing.

This truely is my LAST comment on the matter. I only posted it originally to show for every good cop there is a bad one, so we shouldn't get too excited when let off, and thus complacent about injustices. The result was expected, predictable and amusing in that the usual suspects turned out.

Now it is just boring...........

[scumdog]

Qoute."Marty, the guy was an offduty detective, not a traffic cop, as I have since found out."

Hah! I knew it wasn't true!! Detectives think ticket books are just for holding the computer screen at the right angle, they wouldn't know how to write a ticket out!!!!

[DEATH_INC.]

The wanker that got me was something like that too(a 'd'),he was in a wagon with heaps of stuff in the back,not a patrol car.....

[marty]

he MUST have a traffic background to be waa-ing on the way he did though. i can't think of any d's that would write someone up unless it was an outrageous move. come to think of it i don't know any d's that even carry a ticket book!

[Wenier]

Yea he seems like a dick by ticketing you for every little thing where it probably aint even able to be ticketed for

[DEATH_INC.]

The guy that did me did.He was on the force when they bought in some radar system and you had to do an 'estimated speed' test or something......that's what he used to get me along with his other bullshit story.....

[spudchucka]

Spud, the "concept" of pragmatism means taking into account the context. Courts generally consider the situation involved (extenuating circumstances, etc.) as well as the law when handing out sentences, thus being pragmatic.

Fighting the ticket only because one is right, as you advocated, is principled. Fighting it to make a statement, slow things down, get attention, etc. irrespective of being right is pragmatic.

Learning the difference between concepts and literal definitions of words might enlighten you, but then that would conflict with the "us against them, right or wrong, black or white" dogmatic attitude of policing.

I was just winding you up, as were you no doubt in the beginning.

[igor]

he MUST have a traffic background to be waa-ing on the way he did though. i can't think of any d's that would write someone up unless it was an outrageous move. come to think of it i don't know any d's that even carry a ticket book!

oh they do in Jaffaland as they love righting up shitheads. maybe an ex Mot cop who is now a Detective or even worse a D/Sgt. whats his officer number it might be me.

F016 is the nicest ex Mot - and also ex ACC cop you could meat. I think he is even on this board and is currently rolling around on the floor pissing him about whats being written about him.