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    Makes you think; may save your life.

    Remember the weekend of the Great Burger Fest Coro loop, organised by Steve (ZRXER)?

    R6 kid and a couple of others passed by a little time after my friend Gary had his crash after hitting the huge lump just before the lookout around 20kms South of Coromandel.

    Before the rest of the group came through, I had already gone back down the hill to Coromandel to find a farm or place where Gary could coast his bike down the hill and store it for the night.

    I was leaving a property that was just around a bend on those fantastic high speed sweepers just after the Manaia one way bridge, The people who owned the property were not home but as luck would have it, arrived just as I was leaving. They came in two four wheel drives and I was on the far side of their vehicles from the corner on my bike when the rest of the group came through, about 20-25 bikes. You couldn't hear yourself think and no one would have been doing under 140kmh. Sounded impressive to me but the locals were not impressed.

    The next day, I helped Gary's brother pick up the bike in a van and we had to pull out of the same driveway.

    Think on this, because it really had me going over so many rides and how we take things for granted or assume all is clear ahead.

    The guy who owned the property got talking to me and mentioned how he loves fishing. Directly over the road, is a small jetty where he launches his boat. So quite often he crosses the road in his four wheel drive, towing his boat around 30 metres back from the high speed sweeper.

    Here we all come on a great Coro GP, leaning well over on one of our favourite corners at around 140-150kmh or more (usually) and right there fully across the road, is our local with his four wheel drive, towing his boat and both lanes are totally blocked.

    Question: where are you going to go? Can't go around him or into the other lane. Can't go behind him as you won't be able to lean enough to make the gap as you are nearly at the edge of the bikes handling envelope already.
    You can chose which might be softer to hit: the four wheel drive or the boat, or maybe a quick trip into the mangroves, but they are horrible gnarly thick rooted and trunked things. Could be messy aye?

    But then, riding back at around 100kmh in the van with the smashed bike in the back (write off by the way) there were so many corners that had drive ways, farm entrances, hidden gates and picnic areas.

    It's made me sit up and analyse my riding style.

    I love going fast, I love even more pushing my bike through tight twisties and sweepers and tossing it around. There is no better way to unwind and get rid of stress, which is why I wrote this some time ago:

    http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=32775

    I still stand by every word in that article I put together one night but I do want to remind everyone to be careful out there. I would hate to see or hear of anyone on KB, especially those I have ridden with and met, come to grief or die in an accident.

    So, when you are entering that fast sweeper and leaning over enjoying your ride, ask yourself; what if there is gravel on the road on the apex, farmer brown pulling out of a blind gate around the corner on his slow moving tractor with a hay trailer attached, a stray beefer wanting to give you a free leather suit when you whack him and take his hide off or a farmer on a tractor with those huge fork things sticking out the front at chest height coming around the corner on your side of the road while sucking his coffee (it happened to me and it was real close.)

    I bet, like me you have enjoyed leaning into a nice long sweeper looking at the world from obscene angles and then the tourist comes around the corner in a campervan straddling the white line and their huge mirror just happens to be at head height. You pull your block in like a turtle getting mauled by a dog, but man it really upsets your line.

    When on a fast ride, we are so busy concentrating on what we are doing, we almost appear to push back in our minds, the what ifs? I know one road where my friend and I went through at up to 200kmh because it so nice to ride with fast sweepers and I did it in the car a few weeks back and nearly bogged myself at all the hidden entrances, drive ways, dogs walking around without owners or on a lead..... it's getting to darned dangerous riding like this on the road.

    So, if I can save a life tonight, next time you are riding and everytime you ride, always ask, "what if", when you commit to a corner that you can't see around at speed.

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    well said Paul, when ever I've been pushing the bike and see a cage with Ma, Pa & the kids I get that what if thought, which I guess is a good, it may have not slowed me down but has changed the way I think about riding on the road and has made me push more towards track days & racing.

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    I have had thought many a times and some times that gut feeling is there for a reason. The trouble I find is finding places to open up where the risk gets smaller!
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    Yes and the other thing is, other than leaving some "Flex" , is to listen to that little voice in your head that says "hmm this might be a little quick"


    Flying up 22 was myself, zed, pom on a r1 another vfr and a cbr250 putting a rather decent pace on, now I trusted Zed as he knows the road like I do, but hadn't ridden there with the others it was getting on in the day and was feeling a little tired but kept the pace up for a bit but then just sat up on a straight and left it in that gear and cruised...... a minute later come up to the decreasing right that catches everyone and R1 guy had come off followed by the vfr and the cbr carnage basically, Zed had shimyied his Bird through the flying bikes somehow.

    So I get a thumbs up kinda from the R1, then go and the two bikes that had been rather close to me minutes ago off the riders lying bleeding under them


    Listen to that voice, a riders 6th sense is invaluable!

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    Yep all you said. I love pushing it on the road but I have taken it to the track and slowed down on the road. I miss the buzz from the harder riding on the road but I don't want to spend years healing. Must set a good example to my boy who is riding now.
    I am a farmer and I know how hard it is to move stock and tractors on the road. Not so bad on a country road but when you hear the scream of the inline 4 coming you gota take action fast so they know you are on the road. I see both sides on this one.

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    karma. That is well true and good. much wisdom and restraint here. -pay heeeeed all yee young troutwhallopers
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    fuck, i was always slow on the road anyway

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    Wise words indeed and exactly what I tell myself when I set off for a ride. Trouble is that by the time I'm the other side of Clevedon, the engines warm, the tyres are warm, I'm warm and all those wise words seems to get replaced with words about acceleration, braking, positioning, corner speed, leans, rythem etc. You end up in a world of your own where Mr Jones looking at the map on his Sunday drive, some young tart on her mobile or Farmer Giles towing his boat to the boat ramp don't get a look in.

    It's why I ride bikes! Not to put myself or someone else in danger but to get my head free from reason even if it is just for a couple of corners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freakshow View Post
    I have had thought many a times and some times that gut feeling is there for a reason. The trouble I find is finding places to open up where the risk gets smaller!
    It is called "The Track". Everyone travelling the same way (no head ons). No driveways, no pedestrians, people standing there with warning falgs to tell you the way ahead is not clear.
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    Dont forget though Beyond the hill over from Coro town and all the tight fun stuff has few if any houses etc on it!

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    Last Sunday night I was driving home from Taupo after having raced for the day. I had ridden down on the Friday, raced all day Saturday and decided to take the car home. Coming around a corner in the dark at about 90kph with the trailer on the back I saw some funny lights ahead. Just in time I slammed on the brakes, the trailer tried to lock up but I must have eased off in time. There was a herd of about 50 cows wandering down the road, no farmer, just the cows. If I had been going any faster I would have hit them. If I had been on the bike I would have probably been dead.

    Wise words Beyond and SasLEX. Go fast on the track but ease up on the road. I was glad I chose not to ride home that night.
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    Beyond and Saslex have the true of it, it only takes one little thing to change your life.
    After spending 7 months (so far) healing from my worst injury in 25 yrs of riding, a broken collar bone, I have decided that I need to slow down and relax on the road. I love to ride and enjoy the feeling from taking corners well and doing a bit of 'zen' on the bike.
    I also enjoy being able to use both of my arms and legs, so I will be more restrained in future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macktheknife View Post
    Beyond and Saslex have the true of it, it only takes one little thing to change your life.
    After spending 7 months (so far) healing from my worst injury in 25 yrs of riding, a broken collar bone, I have decided that I need to slow down and relax on the road. I love to ride and enjoy the feeling from taking corners well and doing a bit of 'zen' on the bike.
    I also enjoy being able to use both of my arms and legs, so I will be more restrained in future.
    You helped with the other fellow who decided to superman in front of me, and I will tell you what that was one of the more scary accidents I have seen (too hot for corner , well prob not really but he thought so, on go the brakes lock up then riding along the ditch till he hit a bump and was sent cartwheeling 30 feet high through the air towards some big immovable trees, stop the bike quick as take helmet and gloves off to cool nerves compose then tried to find the bugger but I couldn't! Searching through the bushes I spot some of his leathers hear the next bike coming along so back up from the bushes flag them down pull out there key tell them to stop the next person and there has been accident, back down into the bushes and find the crashee had managed to land himself in a big bed of soft shrubbery right next to the big immovable tree, blood on face not moving much not making much sound oh shit! not good carefully lift visor start to try talk to him grab his hand gave it a good squeeze and got one back plus some murmuring (hopefully not about a broken hand lol) and then the real medics came down and sorted him out.......... )

    moral of the story it don't take much to crash and luck has a part in how well you will survive that crash, he had good gear on which no doubt helped alot. And procrastinating uni work is easily achievable on KB.....

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    The older I get the more tenuous I realise our hold on life and health is and I endorse the cautions here. One only has to scroll back through the Image Gallery and view the results of accidents!

    We've all had those moments when we realised we could have been killed but for sheer luck and I ride according to the road and traffic conditions. Many times on rural roads I've come around corners to find tractors or animals on the road and was pleased I wasn't going faster.

    There are places where one can stretch the legs of one's bike in safety but they are few and the track is certainly the best place.

    Love the Coro, but fully endorse the comments made!
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    Wise words mate. Ive had a similar epiphony recently and have shared this enlightened thinking with some of the local crew. To be honest you gonna have to try very hard to convince someone who has been lucky for many years that they may not be that lucky for much longer...esp if they can ride bloody fast over a local racing/proving ground.

    All ye beware the blind fast corner with the hidden apex!!!
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