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    Riding Tips for Newbies :)

    I've read heaps of posts on the newbie site and thought to myself,
    one thing was missing when I first starting riding and that's what
    are the first steps to riding a bike in order to keep safe?

    This is a difficult thing for an experienced rider to share
    as so much we do automatically and take for granted is completely
    foreign to new riders on their first bike.

    So, I have to believe that I am just starting out again and try and
    convey the real basics to help you guys and gals get confident on your
    bikes and in the process minimise the risks involved.

    So here are some minimal tips to get you going. There are heaps of tips
    to throw at you but I will keep it real simple.

    So hear you go:

    1. Never think you know it all. With biking, the more you learn
    the more you realise how much more you have to learn. So be teachable.

    2. Don't skimp on good gear. Synthetics have come a long way but
    I truly believe you can't beat leathers when it comes to sliding down
    the road. Whtaever you buy, make sure it's relatively tight fitting
    as armour can move around if it's lose.
    DO, get a good quality full face helmet, gloves, boots, pants and jacket.
    I've had accidents in the past, that have removed the chinbar on my full
    face, taken the entire left side of my boots out, ripped my gloves and jacket
    to shreds, so don't ride without your gear, even to the corner shop.

    3. First ride or consequent rides. Throttles are fun, but before you play
    with the throttle, it would be a good idea how to learn to stop.
    Find a carpark, or deserted country road and start to learn how to brake.
    If you can't brake properly at the speeds you travel at, you are going
    to cause injury.
    Emergency braking: squeeze the front brake lever gently and apply more
    pressure as the bike drops down on the forks. Stabbing the brake hard
    will cause the bike to dive and because weight transfer to the front takes
    time, you will cause lockup and front wheel washout.
    Increase pressure harder once the front has dived. In the dry you can stop
    real fast with the front brake alone. Heavy braking causes the rear wheel
    to almost or to actually break contact with the ground and therefore the
    rear brake, except in experienced hands, is next to useless. It is way to
    easy to lock up the rear brake under heavy braking and therefore induce a
    sideways slide and then an off.

    New riders also try to balance the rear brake with the front and therefore
    to prevent rear wheel lockup, brake too softly with the front, which
    dramatically increases their stopping distance.

    Learn to stop quickly with your front brake first, then start applying a
    little rear. Under heavy braking the front brake will give around 90%
    stopping power on the front brake on a modern sports bike. The heavier
    the bike and the longer the wheelbase, the more the rear brake will
    be able to handle.

    If any wheel locks up, you will drop the bike or increase your braking
    distance so immediately reduce the grip on the offending lock up wheel
    and then reapply the brakes.

    In the wet, the front can washout a lot quicker than the dry, so more reliance
    is placed on the rear. You can still brake quite hard with the front but
    have to ensure you don't lock up.

    4. Until you know the balance point between tyre grip and braking in a corner,
    do all you braking before the corner. Slow in and fast out. With experience
    comes trail braking ( braking while cornering). Do not do this until you
    know your stuff.

    5. When cornering, the most common mistake for a newbie, is to arrive at
    the corner too fast and brake to late. This causes panic and many people
    hit both brakes hard with the result that the rear usually locks up
    putting them in a rear wheel slide. Result, a nasty lowside where the
    bike drops under them and a long slide occurs. Hopefully nothing solid
    is encountered. Or, brake pressure is released, the rear tyre regrips and
    tosses you off the top of the bike (highside). Result: a lowside is
    way better. A highside generally means, rolling, bouncing, hitting the
    ground hard and ending up with broken collarbone, wrist, ribs etc.

    The other common fault in a corner, is to stand the bike up and brake hard.
    This is worse as you will disappear into the roadside scenery at a fair rate
    of knots.

    Your bike, will corner a lot more than your brain will lead you to believe.
    The chances are that at some stage of your riding experience, you will enter
    a corner too hot. Your brain will tell you that you won't make it and you will
    do one of the above wrong moves. Lockup the brakes in the corner and lowside or highside, or stand the bike up and brake hard. Either option will more than likely end up in an accident unless you are real lucky.

    What you need to do is positively reinforce your mind that you will make
    the corner. Lean your bike more, drop your shoulder into the inside of the turn, push the inside bar forward slightly (counter steer) get off the seat a little to the inside of the turn to transfer weight. You will be amazed at just how much your bike will lean and 90% of the time, you will actually make the corner.

    That's it for this session.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beyond View Post
    Heavy braking causes the rear wheel
    to almost or to actually break contact with the ground and therefore the
    rear brake, except in experienced hands, is next to useless. It is way to
    easy to lock up the rear brake under heavy braking and therefore induce a
    sideways slide and then an off.
    Quote Originally Posted by Niall MacKenzie Three times British superbike champion and former Grand Prix star
    An age old question and there's no right answer. If you like to use the rear brake then do, but if you find it easier to concentrate on just the the front then that's fine too. Only time I would use the rear brake when racing would be if I was running a bit wide in a left-hander to pull the bike back into line (in right handers you cant get to the brake lever anyway), or keep the front down over crests rather than shutting off the throttle and unsettling the bike. Its all a matter of personal choice.
    See above for another expert opinion on the rear brake.

    Edit: And always listen to that nagging voice in your head, if its saying you cant keep up with the others on the ride back off slow down let them get out of sight and relax and go your own pace. Most new riders crash trying to prove they can keep up, in truth no one gives two shits if they have to wait at the next intersection for five or ten minutes whilst you catch up ( fuck most of them smoke so probably relish the chance for a durry), its a lot better than having to turn around and pick a bike and rider out of the bushes as that ruins peoples days at the very least.

    sAs out.

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    Beyond, you have been doing much reflection lately. Very good post.

    May I add one thing, which is implied in you above post.

    Beyond is correct to say that you should brake before the corner. BUT remember that if you let go of the brakes and do not use the throttle then you are still under engine braking. Any sort of braking loads the front suspension which is not good going around corners. Always aim to have some throttle on when cornering - i'm not talking about accelerating, I'm talking about maintianing constant velocity using the throttle - keeping the bike in balance.

    Good on ya for reading this forum!
    StR

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeak the Rat View Post
    Any sort of braking loads the front suspension which is not good going around corners. Always aim to have some throttle on when cornering - i'm not talking about accelerating, I'm talking about maintianing constant velocity using the throttle - keeping the bike in balance.

    Good on ya for reading this forum!
    StR
    hmm going to disagree and Ron agrees with me

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Haslam Former GP rider, now runs the Honda Ron Haslam Race School
    I see too many riders accelerating as they lean into a corner and that causes highsides. You should turn in on a closed throttle and only accelerate once you've reached the apex of the corner and can see the exit. You get the most out of a bike on a closed throttle
    And on loading the front into corners

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Schwantz 1993 500cc Champ
    What you need to remember is that it's not just getting on the brakes that unsettles a bike, but its when you get back off them too. I'd trail the front brake, but not at full pressure way into a turn , this would put some cornering load onto the front, so as I let off the brakes the suspension would stay compressed and not snap back upwards. People said I was good on the brakes, but I say I was best coming off them

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    Interesting and I will look more into this, but we're in the "Riding Tips for Newbies" section.

    Schwanz advocates not accelerating before the apex, quite rightly. I'm not saying you should do this, I'm saying you shouldn't have the front suspension fully loaded throughout the corner (ie through the apex). Best way to do this for a beginner is to enter the corner at the cornering speed and maintain a constant (non accellerating) thottle throughout the corner, past the apex then accelerate out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny Roberts some geezer who used to ride
    You'll never lose the front if you're on the gas
    There is a definite correlation between lean angle and braking efficiency. It's all good in theory, but it's something that needs to be practice d and comes with experience. For beginners I still recommend slowing to cornering speed before tipping the bike in. Brake later into the corner once you have more experience.

    Happy to be proven wrong, I'd hate to give bad advice to newbies......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeak the Rat View Post
    Interesting and I will look more into this, but we're in the "Riding Tips for Newbies" section.

    Schwanz advocates not accelerating before the apex, quite rightly. I'm not saying you should do this, I'm saying you shouldn't have the front suspension fully loaded throughout the corner (ie through the apex). Best way to do this for a beginner is to enter the corner at the cornering speed and maintain a constant (non accellerating) thottle throughout the corner, past the apex then accelerate out.

    Read the Ron quote more. He is talking about entering the corner with the throttle closed rather than constant which is what I was trying to point out as different to your orig statement.

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    Awesome Beyond!
    I'm no expert but I'm just going to add to your "don't think you know it all" statement with the "don't be too cocky" statement. Too many newbies think way too soon, "this is easy, piece of piss, I think I can keep up with Valentino", and then start racing around, then bin it, come crashing to erath with a thud and realise a) they are not invinsible b) they have a lot to learn and c) their confidence is now a little broken.
    So sad.
    I wouldn't consider myself a complete newbie, but enjoy learning as much as I can from threads such as this and the invaluable knowledge gained from others and often from their mistakes.
    So thanks
    Mrs KD.

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    The first post by Beyond is very good and answers some questions I had. Thanks!
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    Neutral throttle on the entry to a corner is a bad. Ron rode the ELF for too many years so his judgement is suspect. I've played with Keith Code's ideas on the track and on the road and he is right about throttle control.

    Squeak is right, in that a closed throttle on entry keeps the front loaded. YOu can use your throttle to manage how the bike responds during a corner.

    It's a reasonably advanced concept though.

    Brake in a straight line, hit your turn in point and then crack the throttle a tiny amount so that the bike is driving through the corner, not rolling around. Gradually increase the throttle as you accelerate through the corner and out. For you hangy off types stay off the side until the bike is upright and on the meat of the tyre. You can get on full throttle way earlier this way.

    For you guys who think it is bollocks, coast down a hill with your engine off, brake and then turn in. Prepare to panic as you run wide. Do the same corner again engine on, and marvel at how much tighter the bike turns with even a little tiny amount of throttle.

    Works for me, and that's all that matters. If I find something better I'll use it though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kendog View Post
    Awesome Beyond!
    I'm no expert but I'm just going to add to your "don't think you know it all" statement with the "don't be too cocky" statement. Too many newbies think way too soon, "this is easy, piece of piss, I think I can keep up with Valentino", and then start racing around, then bin it, come crashing to erath with a thud and realise a) they are not invinsible b) they have a lot to learn and c) their confidence is now a little broken.
    So sad.
    I wouldn't consider myself a complete newbie, but enjoy learning as much as I can from threads such as this and the invaluable knowledge gained from others and often from their mistakes.
    So thanks
    Mrs KD.


    As a recent 'newbie' only been riding just under 2 years, i agree!! The biggest prob i faced starting out was becoming 'over confident' ...thats when i had my first bin. second and (hopefully last) was simply a lesson on following distances and knowing how to brake quickly

    ...when you become 'confident' within a few weeks of riding, watch out! you will start to take risks - and you will not have enough experience in an emergency situation (slide, brake, car etc) to stay on your bike!

    ..so my advice, leave the ego at home and back off.. ride it like a nanna, and go for some lessons!! ..the mentors on KB are very good...

    remember it's impossible to 'know everything' so dont be a hero!! much rather go on a slow ride and live, than get overconfident and try and catch up to another bike on the road etc and make a mistake...

    oh and one more thing..

    In a cage you can get away with having 'a beer' or a 'smokey smoke' and still make it home fine, but on a bike you need to be 100% focused. Dont take any risks with alcohol or drugs on a bike!

    ...thats why i kept my car, for those afterwork drinks

    good luck!
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    Can someone help with a question of how far it's okay to lean a GN250, when going around a corner? Thanks! It's here http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...325#post796325
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim2 View Post


    Works for me, and that's all that matters. If I find something better I'll use it though.
    I find in the right gear, rather than coasting, holding a closed throttle has an effect similar to trail braking but rather than transferring more of the load to the front squats the rear a touch.......


    But what works for you works for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sAsLEX View Post
    I find in the right gear, rather than coasting, holding a closed throttle has an effect similar to trail braking but rather than transferring more of the load to the front squats the rear a touch.......


    But what works for you works for you.
    The point I was trying to make is that YOU should be in CONTROL of the motorcycle at all times. No brake or throttle and you are at the mercy of inertia.

    That closed throttle, right gear thing used to work for me until I started wicking things up on the track a bit and started losing the front a couple of times a meeting. Read "Twist of the Wrist" and only ever lost the rear from that point on. But that's a different story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco Dan View Post


    As a recent 'newbie' only been riding just under 2 years, i agree!! The biggest prob i faced starting out was becoming 'over confident' ...thats when i had my first bin. second and (hopefully last) was simply a lesson on following distances and knowing how to brake quickly

    ...when you become 'confident' within a few weeks of riding, watch out! you will start to take risks - and you will not have enough experience in an emergency situation (slide, brake, car etc) to stay on your bike!

    ..so my advice, leave the ego at home and back off.. ride it like a nanna, and go for some lessons!! ..the mentors on KB are very good...

    remember it's impossible to 'know everything' so dont be a hero!! much rather go on a slow ride and live, than get overconfident and try and catch up to another bike on the road etc and make a mistake...

    oh and one more thing..

    In a cage you can get away with having 'a beer' or a 'smokey smoke' and still make it home fine, but on a bike you need to be 100% focused. Dont take any risks with alcohol or drugs on a bike!

    ...thats why i kept my car, for those afterwork drinks

    good luck!
    yep your right on that note, i found myself a lil over confident at times and when coming up to some corners ive nearly binned. hmmm i ride like a nana all the time except when im pissed off i leave the bike at home and take me car so when im relaxed and in a better mood i jump back on my bike.
    anyways beyond this is some very good reading cheers for that

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    good stuff, keep it coming....

    in regards to trail braking, I am more comfortable scrubbing off speed with the back brake as Im conscience of not overloading the front tyre too much. I know the popular advice is to use the front brake IF you have too in a bend, so today I tried using the front on a tightening blind unfamiliar bend (too hot) and the bike stood up and I exited wide, lucky the road was clear. I guess I used too much brake? needed to be more gentle on the lever? what do you more experienced guys think?...

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