Punished!

[Coldkiwi]

in the twisties is probably where cars do better Andy. They will always have more frictional force (especially a well set up car thats not too heavy, ie. my mate in the porsche!) that will enable them to corner faster. What they loose in agility and braking is normally not enough to make up for that traction advantage. Where they should get destroyed is pulling out of the corners, the straights and braking in to them.

I would guess the dirty manaro driver had an ego the size of his engine and didn't appreciate being mocked by a biker on one wheel!

The only way I can think of to mock a driver more is to use just the other wheel. ie. go so fast that you can pull a rolling stoppie as you overtake them... and then wave with one hand That would be my definition of class.

Although I should add that I haven't personally done that yet!! I did see some mad bikers on monster garage pulling one handed stopped stoppies though which I thought was pretty classy. Anyway.. the bikers weren't half as mad as those yankee boys modifying that ambulance to pull wheelstands!!!! OSH would have a field day prosecuting them in NZ!

 

[wkid_one]

I must confess I am not a wheelie fanatic - power stands yes,  The VTR will do them on roll on in first and second.  Wheelying in 3rd needs clutch but will pull up.  I am not experienced enuf - I have only been riding for 3 years in July.

You seem to have forgotten one important factor when assessing the cornering ability of the Porsche versus the bike.

When a bike is in the lane - it occupies far less space, enabling it to better straighten the corners out and maximise a straighter line.   Whilst the Porsche has four wheels for better traction it occupies more space allowing minimal variance in its line through the corner.  The traction is therefore offset in part by the factor we, as bike riders, can maintain a straighter line through corners.

Anywho CK - I hope you are now practicing that road - now if only I could find one like that 10km long.

[Marmoot]

A car does have more grip from 4 wheels but also the additional weight to offset it.
In order to go fast enough through the corner (and take advantage of the 4 wheels) a car needs to drift the rear wheels out, which is plain dumb crazy in public road (imagine smacking your butt to the oncoming vehicles).
That's why it is impossible for a car to go faster than a bike in PUBLIC twisty.

But on the racetrack that is a different matter........

Also, one advantage of the bike, if all else fails, is the price. You can always say "well, yours is ten times more expensive than mine"

[Coldkiwi]

not so convinced about that marmoot... when you slide the tyres, the co-efficient of friction nearly halves which gives you about half the ability to change your direction. I would agree you can change the orientation of the car quicker by sliding like a rally car in tight hairpins but in a sweeper type corner, sliding the tyres will probably end in tears!

I also agree that a bike can take a straighter line on a road but when the lane gets seriously narrow (ie twilight) that advantage starts dissipating as well.

but I FULLY adhere to the idea that 'well if I spent 200,000 on my vehicle I could probably do a bit better too!'

Can't belive you like hooning on roads not popping wheelstands on a  1 litre V-twin wkid!! Thats terrible!

 

[wkid_one]

Yeah well - power stands on exits of corners yes I do that - can't but help it when you give the bike the full wick.  Power stands over crests - yip also.

Wheel Stands nah - haven't been riding long enough - and I refuse to bin a bike doing something as stupid as a wheel stand.......plus there is so much stress on the bike on landing - fairing cracks/fork seals etc.

Of course - like any large litre rider I have practised doing them when no one is looking.....as you do. 

I kinda like the feeling of the front wheel lifting on the exit of a corner when you are still leant over when you wind on the throttle.

[SPman]

Front wheel lifts on full power coming out of corners is great! Love it! You know youre cranking it on when you start doing that! The Tairua Hill is good for that - particularly with traffic

Hoiking the front wheel up just because you can, in a straight line, has never really appealed (read - he can't do it!).Always seemed counter productive to me! Whereas, lofting the front over crests on power is a different story  Got a beaut loft last weekend on the Mangawhai road!.......Luv It!

[Blackbird]

On the Kawakawa Bay to Miranda stretch.  Had my old BMW K100 RS and took on a Subaru WRX STI.  He killed me through the corners and all I could do was get back close down the next straight and so on - pretty mortifying.

Now I've got the Blackbird, there's nothing to prove unless the tin top driver REALLY, REALLY deserves it, so I rarely bother 

[Coldkiwi]

thats not so bad on a bemmer! the sti's would handle very nicely through those hills too and their top end deficiency wouldn't be shown up till you got down to the coast at which point he'd be blackbird fodder!

[Blackbird]

I suppose so!  The Beemer was a lardy old tub, but it had no vices so could be pushed pretty hard. The Beemer has seen me safely through 3 Rusty Nuts 1000 miles in 24 hours rides, the best being in under 19 hours so they can still get along ok over longer distances.  Thinking of doing it on the 'bird this year, but worried that I might need wrist and knee surgery afterwards

[Marmoot]

Do you mean BMW actually build bikes????

[Blackbird]

Ones which don't have to stop every 200 k's for gas, and cost bugger all to keep runnning

You weren't up in Coromandel on Sunday were you?  Saw a 'blade, 3 Gixxers and a Daytona parked in town.

[Marmoot]

But, it if is so good, why were you converted to the bird?

'nyway, how many of you ride on Sunday, and how many of you ride on Saturday? And how many on both?

I never go out on Sunday.

[Blackbird]

Everyone has a different "fitness for purpose".  The Beemer was an '85 model and sooner or later, I'd be up for a big bill, plus I wanted something with real stomp and good braking before I grew up 

In my case, I wanted something my wife would be comfortable on for long hauls, but had sporty performance for solo work.  I didn't like the look of the 'busa and my riding partner who has one destroys a back tyre regularly whether he's riding hard or not.  ZX12R?  Hmmmm.....  a bit uncomfortable for passengers, hence the 'bird.

I normally ride on Sundays, but it really depnds what my riding partners are doing.  Sometimes take a day of in the week - less cops around then!