Bike theft/tourists abducted

[ManDownUnder]

she was told she couldn't show the offender pictures of her injuries as that would traumatise the offender...

Oh no... don't let them know what they've actually done! OH MY GOD NOOOOOOOOOOO... they'd realise the full extent of their actions then and they might lose some sleep.

Bloody lunacy.

[MSTRS:Me]

And we thought it was about the victim letting the offender know what they had been through

What ever led you to think that?? Pshaw!
Feel-good window-dressing...but when you look behind the glass it's all smoke and mirrors. You gonna let yourself be bribed (again) in 2008??

[Roj]

You gonna let yourself be bribed (again) in 2008??

Didn't get bribed last time, shafted perhaps but not bribed

[oldrider]

When I leave somewhere that I have been I like to think I have left it in better shape than it was in when I arrived.

This country is really worrying me because it looks like I am going to leave it in a much worse state than it was in when I arrived here in 1939.

My generation has little to be proud of when I look at what our grandchildren are inheriting from us and reading this thread just hits it home even harder.

An apology is of little value and achieves or changes nothing but to all of you who follow us that is all I have to offer. Sorry! John.

[scumdog]

So any update???

[35tickets]

So any update???

Not as yet it would appear. No surprises

Maybe the fucking arseholes can get diabetes really really soon. The police should be concentrating their efforts....I have a strong hunch they could be found in Whangarei or Kaikohe KFC on thursday night

[Bend-it]

Well, looks like they've been cuaght, and there were other scum "aiding and abetting"!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3874792a10,00.html

[Paul in NZ]

Burn them all....

[TLDV8]

Burn them all....

If only it was that easy.

Two men, aged 27 and 29, face charges of aggravated robbery, kidnapping, abduction and serious sexual assault in relation to the attack on the young honeymooning couple on November 10

One thing i never could understand.Will it go something like this?.

Aggravated robbery..4 years
Kidnapping.. 6 years
Abduction and serious sexual assault.. 6 years
= 16 years but we will make it concurrent so around 7 years minus the year in remand waiting for a trial = 6 years with parole option at 80% served,out in round 5 years.All while living off the pigs back.

.....and the same stinking defence lawyers (harder/dyberg etc) will be milking it like they have for years.
Not to mention they are being payed by the taxpayer as every person is entitled to a fair trial based on innocent until proven guilty.

I remember something from a geography class from around 197something.
Those pome's were onto it.
They stapped you in a chair over a river and dunked you in.If you drowned you were innocent,if you didn't then you were a witch for sure.

[dawnrazor]

the way i see it. its really a matter of perception. Touists have a perception of this country as PURE and CLEAN and WHOLESOME, that is perpetuated in the media and advertising abroad. When the reality is, this country is very much like every other developed country, it has drug problems, it has social problems, it has its own unique problems all of which have a negative impact on crime levels.

When I lived in Dublin, this German tourist was attacked in his tent at night and beaten and robbed - there was outrage, and rightly so - the fucking plonker had pitched his tent in "the pheonix park", which is kinda like setting up tent in central park in NYC, you just don't do it - its a big park in a big city full of people that will have the shirt off your back and the shoes off your feet. STUPID IDEA.

If tourists went around this country with an ounce of self preservation on board then there might not be so many incidents like this, "these guys where told not to camp by the falls", I'm not condoning anything, I think this crime is heinous, but common sense should have told them it wasn't a good idea.

maybe tourists need to be warned more clearly and be told of some of the very real dangers that lurk under the surface of urban and rural NZ - but then that might have a bad effect on the number of tourists that decide to come to this country and the tourist dollar is worth alot to the economy, so best to deal with them as they happen and hope word doesn't spread

[Harry33]

Well said Dawnrazor.

[scracha]

maybe tourists need to be warned more clearly and be told of some of the very real dangers that lurk under the surface of urban and rural NZ - but then that might have a bad effect on the number of tourists that decide to come to this country and the tourist dollar is worth alot to the economy, so best to deal with them as they happen and hope word doesn't spread

Spot on mate. I've been robbed twice in two years in this country (one broke into the car and another picked my pocket). Other kiwi's were trying to tell me the crime rate in the UK is much worse than here. Load of bollocks. When we were 'tourists' in this country there were so many nice walks etc we wanted to go on but often nowhere safe to leave our vehicle. Other tourists had obviously fell for the "clean green safe" crap.

Personally I think anyone involved in this crime should be deported to the Netherlands for a trial there.

[Grahameeboy]

Nothing surprises me in this fucked up country. People need to wake up and realise that New Zealand is not a safe place to travel or do anything in. Its becoming on par with South Africa here and having shit like this happening here will only make them [tourists] go back to their friends and family in their country and tell them "well fuck NZ don't go there its fill of fucking dirtbags, murderers and rapists"....watch them stay away and keep their currency in their pocket.

I'm disgusted with whats happening here, and to sum it up its so fucking typical of Northland that I have to say that yes I am ashamed to be a New Zealander and even be associated with a country where we have a fucking bullshit legal system and a society where its fine to breed criminals.

Utter Bollocks..no way we are on a par with South Africa

[Bend-it]

They've been named too...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3882672a10,00.html

Now, was there a Northland ride coming up?

[crack]

I have been reading this post:

I do not know what the answer is, to the tourists I can only appologize.

But what shames me is when I think of the sacrifice the generations before me have experianced and suffered, for what I may ask?

Bend-it quotes Edmond Burke: All that is necessary for the triumph of evil, is that good men ( and women) do nothing.

When We were at high school we use to get the cane, didn't like it, was shameful, and it hurt.

I read in Roj's thread, and draw identical conclusions from being asked to have a meeting with the perpitrators of an act of breaking and entering and willfull damage to a property of ours in 2000.

The youth aid officer asked me on the phone what I would like to achieve in the outcome of the meeting, my reply: Get the little pricks back here and stand over them while they clean the place up?

His reply: Look we don't work that way, we can't do that, the object of the meeting is to let the perpetrators be confronted with their victims.

My reply was not very nice, and I told him where to stick his meeting, he called me a couple of days later to ask if I would reconsider, I asked would you reconsider, he said no the system doesn't work that way, and my way hinders the rehabilitation of the perpetrators, no shit, I could not believe what I heard.

I asked what about my rights, he replied I had insurance....

I have often wondered how the police would re-act to vigilante acts, not killing the little fuckers, but certainly delivering some retribution, IE a good caning on video tape and put on the web, maybe some one could construct some stocks????

NZ is fucked, I regret moving back to NZ, parents with no rights, have to watch our kids go off the rails, and cannot dish out retribution, the authorities only place the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff.

To the perpatrators of the darstedly act with regard to the tourists, take them out to the woods, dig a hole, and a double tap behind the ear.

I am up for it, and I will not lose any sleep over it, I can asure you.

Live in society, respect thy fellow citizen.

We have been divided and conqured, we are more concerned with green house gases, the economy, rights for gays, etc etc, have to get back to the simple things, and rebuild:

A good start would be a constitution on how we want to be governed.

Then compulsory recorded voting on legislation, and issues of importance.

Get rid of the career polititions, limit the terms of office.

Enough, but shit its a good rave.

To OLDRIDER: Mate you guys have not let us down, you've paid your price, more than alot of use could ever realise, or imagine.
Mate I blame the United Nations human rights agenda.