Rugby Stadium

**Biff** · 18th November 2006, 00:26

Bring it to Jade. We southerners dont whine as much as those northerners.

It'd be welcomed with open arms, and the city would make squillions.

And I would get very, very drunk.

**Toast** · 18th November 2006, 06:23

Originally Posted by WeeStromer

Here in lies the problem us Kiwi's are an apathetic lot, or is that pathetic!
We are so bloody negative, if any of our national sport teams looses we all have a 'Downer" and the economy suffers, yet we are loath to take the bull by the horns and go for it.
The comments in this thread just confirm it.
We live in paradise but a loath to get involved in protecting it and making it better as a whole.
This maybe regarded as healthy debate by some but I feel it is all to negative and maybe us Kiwis are just a bunch of wankers.
No doubt a number of you will complain when large events in the future do not come to NZ because we do not have a truly international stadium.....Perhaps this is our chance....think about it.
The development of the Auckland waterfront would not have happened without the Americas Cup, no matter what you think of it.

Build a 'truly International stadium' for $200m-ish with a lower chance of complications then (North Harbour), instead of one for potentially 4 times that, which has a high chance of being a disaster.

Look at what happened to Stadium Australia in the article above...a positive attitude isn't all you need, and the Aussies certainly have those...the country needs to put some brains in to it too, and not let the pathetic egos of rugby heads and local bodies get in the way of the decision.

**MisterD** · 18th November 2006, 08:04

Originally Posted by Biff

Bring it to Jade. We southerners dont whine as much as those northerners.

It'd be welcomed with open arms, and the city would make squillions.

And I would get very, very drunk.

I thought Chch had pretty much already said, "Bugger off, Jade is perfect for us just the way it is, go stick your white elephant somewhere else...."

**treefrog** · 18th November 2006, 08:10

fucken thugby,stupidest so called game ever,those playas cant even string two words together,drink more beer and play more rugby you sheep while your government hastily passes more laws to limit your freedom.waterfront stadiums just a monument to hellen clark and labour,wanker politicians ,lying theiving scum.have a lovely day everyone.

**Skyryder** · 18th November 2006, 09:20

Originally Posted by Ixion

why do you think noise will not be an issue? There are a shit load of apartments and hotels around there. They already complain (a lot) about the noise from the Port, which is actually not at all loud. The Port has existing right usage, but a stadium wouldn't. I doubt that noise control would be any more relaxed than anywhere else.

Eden Park is in the supburbs with the resulting numbers that would/could attempt to have unrealistic noise levels imposed on the stadium. On top of that noise control may well prevent Eden Park from hosting concerts.

From what I've read of the reply for Eden Park it appears that this choice seems preferable not only due to cost but as an anti Government option also. I think desighn elements and final costs would have helped on this.

Taxpayers money to the NZRFU is a bigger wast than extra costs associated with the waterfront option.

Skyryder

**Colapop** · 18th November 2006, 10:01

You should have a look at some of the design work that's gone into both options. Very impressive - my preference is Eden Park (a personal opinion). I think the design is better, the cost is lower and it is a pre-existing facility. If Carlaw park was properly considered then the size limitations of the site wouldn't be a problem (there's a very large area adjoining that's usable)

**Flatcap** · 18th November 2006, 10:46

Originally Posted by Skyryder

Eden Park is in the supburbs with the resulting numbers that would/could attempt to have unrealistic noise levels imposed on the stadium. On top of that noise control may well prevent Eden Park from hosting concerts.

Eden park doesn't host concerts now for that reason

My vote is for Eden Park - then I can walk to the game and hire out the spare bedroom for even more $$$

**oldrider** · 18th November 2006, 10:50

Left wing Socialist governments believe that the state should control everything, that is the problem.

IMHO,The government should not have got involved in the RWC at all nor should it have got involved in the private enterprise of the Americas Cup.

Socialist Governments steal (tax) our money accumulate it unnessessarily and spend it on things that they think will make them popular, like the above!

What NZ needs is "less" government involvement in our lives (less tax) so that we can be "free" to decide where "we" want to spend our own money as our own choice.

If they did not steal your money and you had the personal choice in these matters would you "give" your money to:
The WRC?
The Eden Park extensions?
The National Stadium?
The Americas Cup?

Or would you "donate" your money to things that "you" are interested in, like motor sport etc!

Meanwhile the things that they use as excuses to tax (steal) your income still don't get done or are so underfunded that they become a bloody farce, like, roading, health, education, airforce, navy, army, police, justice, corrections, care of children and care for the aged, just to name few!

Is this the kind of Government that you really want or need?

Flashing your money around on things you don't want or need and pretending that they are giving you a "choice" in the matter?

We have a whole thread here on the choices "they" are giving us on how to spend millions of our dollars but how many of you really want either of the choices anyway?

Personally I just can not understand how they can fool so many so much of the time but such is the price of freedom and democracy, therefor I accept it is their right to fool those who would be fooled.

I know, I know

John.

**Swoop** · 18th November 2006, 11:51

Originally Posted by treefrog

fucken thugby,stupidest so called game ever,those playas cant even string two words together,drink more beer and play more rugby you sheep while your government hastily passes more laws to limit your freedom.

You forgot the "handbag" incident as well.......

**Terminated** · 18th November 2006, 11:58

Originally Posted by Toast

Look at what happened to Stadium Australia

On the news last night, I see the Olympic stadium at Barcelona Spain is in rack and ruin already.

**Biff** · 18th November 2006, 12:29

Originally Posted by treefrog

fucken thugby,stupidest so called game ever,those playas cant even string two words together,drink more beer and play more rugby you sheep while your government hastily passes more laws to limit your freedom.waterfront stadiums just a monument to hellen clark and

I'll tell what - I'll ask my Dr and accountant mates to quit their respective jobs and playing rugby, and I'll throw away my PhD, if you promise to teach us all the correct way to spell our prime minister's name and talk proper instead of us playing rugby and/or coaching rugby to young kids. Because we're so thick. You arsehole.

Originally Posted by MisterD

I thought Chch had pretty much already said, "Bugger off.."

Have they? Last I heard was the mayor welcoming the oppportunity of hosting such a presitgious event, and the town council backing him.

Originally Posted by oldrider

IMHO,The government should not have got involved in the RWC at all nor should it have got involved in the private enterprise of the Americas Cup.

I disagree with you John.

For all major international sporting events (world cup soccer and rugby, the Olympics etc) it is mandatory to have the respective government of the country present and support the application.

It'd be a sad day IMO when governments stop supporting such major sporting events. Although I agree with you about the Americas Cup - that's simply a sport for the rich and a commercially driven event.

Let's face it - there's not much that New Zealanders can claim to being the best in the world at, and this is a perfect opportunity to show the world just how good a place this wonderful country is, and in doing so raise it's profile and reap the rewards from the massive inward investment and money spent by tourists/fans during and after such an event. Hence the reason why governments fight so hard to secure these events. And then the unquantifiable benefits, such as fat lazy people (kids and grown ups) getting off their lardy arses and doing some exercise, motivated by such events, therefore potentially saving the government (read tax payers) of even more money which would otherwise have been spent treating these sad sacks for obesity, heart disease etc.

**Hitcher** · 18th November 2006, 16:30

Originally Posted by BuckBuckNo1

On the news last night, I see the Olympic stadium at Barcelona Spain is in rack and ruin already.

And Stadium Australia (The Olympic venue) has been seized by the ANZ Bank.

**terbang** · 18th November 2006, 16:36

Without reading through the whole thread. How many hospitals could we build or put right to reduce waiting lists (we all will need it some time) for the cost of a football stadium?

Rugby, Rugby and more fucking Rugby. Thats all we hear..

**Ixion** · 18th November 2006, 16:37

Panem et circensium. It distracts attention, and placates the masses.

**NZHog** · 18th November 2006, 16:43

Well said,this is just a smokescreen with stolen money.

Originally Posted by oldrider

Left wing Socialist governments believe that the state should control everything, that is the problem.

IMHO,The government should not have got involved in the RWC at all nor should it have got involved in the private enterprise of the Americas Cup.

Socialist Governments steal (tax) our money accumulate it unnessessarily and spend it on things that they think will make them popular, like the above!

What NZ needs is "less" government involvement in our lives (less tax) so that we can be "free" to decide where "we" want to spend our own money as our own choice.

John.