Criminal nuisance conviction for roading contractor after crash

[Mongoose]

Dude i was travelling in this rain at 50kph, it went from normal rain to really heavy in a seccond.

I can tell you straight the chances of him seeing it were zilch.

We had 2 people who were involved, one was a highway patrol cop, a seasoned officer, NEITHER of them saw it, what makes you think anyone else could?

FF this was an attempt at long range at the theories of someothers

[Funkyfly]

I love how you think the members here are knee jerking and yet you still seem oblivious to the fact that bureaucrats knee jerk and quickly bring in more oppressive laws that restrict the freedoms of people like us no matter how many simple examples I describe to you.

And you dont think they (including yourself) are knee jerking? All this talk about just banning motorbikes on NZ roads because of Chris's case?

We have read TWO articles in the press on Chris's case. Neither have suggested any kind of knee-jerk reaction is likely.

And contrary to what people had stated on this thread the JUDGE in Chris's case stated that this wont set a precedent!

I personally think some KB's are over reacting - Im thinking some good might come of Chris's case as the reporter stated.

Time will tell, maybe we should see what happens in six months.

REMEMBER - I have stated many times if NOTHING good comes from this case (contractors dont be more active) then we will see MORE court cases. Not because Chris's case was a precedent but simply because the contractors arent doing their duty and as the reporter said drivers on the road have had enough!

[Funkyfly]

Out of the bounds of this thread - and I am cetainly not judging the cop who was killed - but how many times has anyone aquaplaned here? I never have,and I've driven some real shitters with bald tyres too fast in some heavy rain,I've hit some real deep spots and it felt like it slowed the car down as I went through,but never,ever aquaplane.A cop car would have good tyres I presume - but to aquaplane a cop car off the road at 100kph,I'd a thought it was time to slow down.Ok,I wasn't there,have no idea of what happened,but aquaplaning is a high speed condition,for it to happen at low speed sounds a bit suss.

In taranaki i have aquaplaned twice in the last two months, scary , and i was looking REAL hard for puddles believe me! You certainly dont need to be driving "fast" but the faster you go the worse it is.

The papers called it a high speed crash, certainly looking at the wreckage at least one car was travelling at a decent speed. To loose grip long enough to hit a guardrail then bounch off it and not only cross the centerline but almost drive off the otherside of the road i would say you had be travelling fairly fast.

[Funkyfly]

FF this was an attempt at long range at the theories of someothers

Just trying to back you up dude.

[Paul in NZ]

Guys (and girls)

Remind me NEVER to go to a party, bar or any place I want to have a good time at if there is the slightest danger anyone that posted on this thread will be there....

In fact... I think the council or govt should put up WARNING signs....

"Danger, Unexpected Gusts of Hot Air and Righteous Indignation may BORE you to Death for the next 17 pages of posting"

Sweet Jesus... (sorry Zed)

"WOULD YOU ALL PLEASE GO RUN A COUPLE OF TANKFULLS OF GAS THROUGH YOUR BIKES AND LEAVE IT BE!"

In the words of Mr Smith... Streutharama

[Funkyfly]

I thought what was fairly well written, apart for the fact the writer seems to laud Chris as a peoples champion.

But certainly his last comments tend to fit in where im coiming from that -

"it is to be hoped that Mr Parkin's court case will give councils and their contractors a wake-up call, and remind them of the need for intelligent use of road-signs and their obligations to motorists; not only to remind them when there are roadworks, but not to remind them when there are not"

The case happened, cant change that now, lets hope some good can come out of it.

Interesting heading it had "Small win for all motorists" denoting that its not just bikers who are susceptible to accidents on unmarked roadworks. Effectly removing the threat to local govt by bikers alone to those reading his article. Which is true, its not just bikers councils will need to be worried about, as i said in an earlier post CARS AND PUSHBIKES would also pose a risk to councils if they have an accident on unmarked roadworks.

Would really like to hear your comments on this Motu and JIM.

[Funkyfly]

Guys (and girls)

Remind me NEVER to go to a party, bar or any place I want to have a good time at if there is the slightest danger anyone that posted on this thread will be there....

In fact... I think the council or govt should put up WARNING signs....

"Danger, Unexpected Gusts of Hot Air and Righteous Indignation may BORE you to Death for the next 17 pages of posting"

Sweet Jesus... (sorry Zed)

"WOULD YOU ALL PLEASE GO RUN A COUPLE OF TANKFULLS OF GAS THROUGH YOUR BIKES AND LEAVE IT BE!"

In the words of Mr Smith... Streutharama

Nick off. If i find a thread boring i certainly dont keep reading.

if you can judge people simply by reading their posts on one topic then Mr your a better man than i.

[Hitcher]

750-odd more posts and we'll be up there with the RR thread!!

[Beemer]

Posted by Funkyfly: And if you want to slag me off thats fine, because i now you havent the slightest idea what i do and ifind it quite funny

Oh and if you read my profile you would know i have a bike, i ride a GSXR.[/QUOTE]

FF, your response suggests you think I CARE what you do. Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't. I don't really care what you ride either, because I've been riding long enough to know it's not WHAT you ride, it's HOW you ride it. Thanks for the heads-up on the GSXR though, at least now I have a chance of avoiding meeting you in person.

I'd go off and burn one of my bras, but I'm too busy using them as slingshots to fire missiles at morons.

[Funkyfly]

Posted by Funkyfly: And if you want to slag me off thats fine, because i now you havent the slightest idea what i do and ifind it quite funny

Oh and if you read my profile you would know i have a bike, i ride a GSXR.

FF, your response suggests you think I CARE what you do. Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't. I don't really care what you ride either, because I've been riding long enough to know it's not WHAT you ride, it's HOW you ride it. Thanks for the heads-up on the GSXR though, at least now I have a chance of avoiding meeting you in person..

Im dumbfounded, i was simply doing what YOU asked me to do - remember?

Beemer - "Get a bike (so you can tell us what it is and we can go out of our way to avoid riding near you)"

The reason i mentioned looking up my profile because as a Journalist i thought you would have done your homework before telling me to get a bike.

but thanks for the laugh i need it.

[Motu]

Guys (and girls)

Remind me NEVER to go to a party, bar or any place I want to have a good time at if there is the slightest danger anyone that posted on this thread will be there....

In fact... I think the council or govt should put up WARNING signs....

"Danger, Unexpected Gusts of Hot Air and Righteous Indignation may BORE you to Death for the next 17 pages of posting"

Sweet Jesus... (sorry Zed)

"WOULD YOU ALL PLEASE GO RUN A COUPLE OF TANKFULLS OF GAS THROUGH YOUR BIKES AND LEAVE IT BE!"

In the words of Mr Smith... Streutharama

Funkyfly is trying to be the first to get to 1000 posts in only one thread - we're helping him along - just put in a word,your Grandmothers piklet recipie will do,and he will reply to it,complete with quotes.It's not entertaining that's for sure.

[Funkyfly]

Funkyfly is trying to be the first to get to 1000 posts in only one thread - we're helping him along - just put in a word,your Grandmothers piklet recipie will do,and he will reply to it,complete with quotes.It's not entertaining that's for sure.

I said about 100 posts ago "thats it no more from me" and Jim i think it was (trying real hard not to use quotes) accused me of packing up my toys just because i couldnt bring you guys around to my way of thinking. So i stayed around and annoyed a few people by the sounds of it.

Hey sorry bout that, you dont enyoy this thread then leave, i certainly wont hassle you for saying you've had enuff.

Sheesh i cant do anything right.

But before you go i would like to hear comments from JIM and MOTU on the 2nd newspaper article. post #246

[merv]

And you dont think they (including yourself) are knee jerking? All this talk about just banning motorbikes on NZ roads because of Chris's case?

No you are missing the point entirely, it is not us knee jerking, it is us simply talking about what a likely outcome might be by those that might knee jerk.

Remember I don't set bylaws, Councils do, so any amount of knee jerking on my part won't ban motorcycles unless my knee jerking is in the form of lobbying and people take up my point. That won't happen because I would be the last to suggest that it should happen as I am against it entirely. As a biker I want freedom and don't want it restricted, nor do I want my 4x4 restricted on beaches as another example.

Do you know the difference between discussing an issue and actually having the power to take action to implement a change and then really piss some one off?

What I was suggesting all the way through is that bikers that crash should think about whether it is wise to knee jerk and take legal action as they may wind up the bureaucrats to take a defensive position, the outcome of which is unlikely to meet our favour as bikers.

[merv]

Guys (and girls)


"WOULD YOU ALL PLEASE GO RUN A COUPLE OF TANKFULLS OF GAS THROUGH YOUR BIKES AND LEAVE IT BE!"

In the words of Mr Smith... Streutharama

Nah its too cold and wet we'd sooner play on our computers.

[NordieBoy]

Simple Pimple, he should have seen the water on the road, in the other lane, should have knwn that the approaching car might aquaplane,should have know it might bouce off the guard rail and into his lane, so he should have slowed down.

What about the Doctor doing 50 through the signposted 30 roadworks zone back up the road.
If he'd kept to the limit there he could have arrived on the scene to help instead of being involved.