Criminal nuisance conviction for roading contractor after crash

[Mongoose]

What about the Doctor doing 50 through the signposted 30 roadworks zone back up the road.
If he'd kept to the limit there he could have arrived on the scene to help instead of being involved.

Ummmm, this is true?? Like some one clocked the Dr at this speed and there was road works up the road?

[Cynic]

Ummmm, this is true?? Like some one clocked the Dr at this speed and there was road works up the road?

No and no... there are no roadworks or 30Kph board between the impact point and 100Kph sign on SH45 when coming from Oakura, both vehicles were in the 100 zone... and as hammered out in a previous thread, radar would have been ineffective due to the crap weather so a speed reading is highly unlikely...

[SPman]

But the Dr had come out of a 50 zone and could have been accelerating, the cop would prob have been drifting down the hill, letting his speed decay before getting to the 50 k zone.
Buggrit
I support the campaign for intelligent use of road signs.
We''re all to blame for our actions, because we've been born!
It's all my fault!
Everything else is an abomination unto Nuggan!

[Posh Tourer :P]

Funkyfly, stop taking things so seriously.... Motu, FF and a few others are just having a dig.... I dont think they are seriously attempting to shut you up....

[Posh Tourer :P]

Out of the bounds of this thread - and I am cetainly not judging the cop who was killed - but how many times has anyone aquaplaned here? I never have,and I've driven some real shitters with bald tyres too fast in some heavy rain,I've hit some real deep spots and it felt like it slowed the car down as I went through,but never,ever aquaplane.A cop car would have good tyres I presume - but to aquaplane a cop car off the road at 100kph,I'd a thought it was time to slow down.Ok,I wasn't there,have no idea of what happened,but aquaplaning is a high speed condition,for it to happen at low speed sounds a bit suss.

Aquaplaned on the motorway, luckily towards the barrier not the other lane, good tyres, just deep(ish) ie maybe a few cm puddle, at 100kmh

[Motu]

Aquaplaned on the motorway, luckily towards the barrier not the other lane, good tyres, just deep(ish) ie maybe a few cm puddle, at 100kmh

Sheesh! well,you won't get me going that fast in the dungers I drive!

[Milky]

...good tyres...

they had tread on them i guess... you cant seriously call them 'good' though. legal maybe, but not good. t'was an interesting experience that...

[spudchucka]

and as hammered out in a previous thread, radar would have been ineffective due to the crap weather so a speed reading is highly unlikely...

Not ineffective, less effective. Heavy rain and pools of water on the road can make it difficult, (not impossible) for the radar to pick up the patrol cars ground speed, if it can't get a ground speed it can't calculate the target speed.

[Zed]

...Giving up already? You should take lessons from Zed.

Hey! Leave me outta this pal.

[Funkyfly]

I support the campaign for intelligent use of road signs.
We''re all to blame for our actions, because we've been born!
It's all my fault!
Everything else is an abomination unto Nuggan!

Welcome onboard.

Still waiting to hear form people, esp MOTU and JIM regarding post #246.

[Funkyfly]

No you are missing the point entirely, it is not us knee jerking, it is us simply talking about what a likely outcome might be by those that might knee jerk.

Remember I don't set bylaws, Councils do, so any amount of knee jerking on my part won't ban motorcycles unless my knee jerking is in the form of lobbying and people take up my point. That won't happen because I would be the last to suggest that it should happen as I am against it entirely. As a biker I want freedom and don't want it restricted, nor do I want my 4x4 restricted on beaches as another example.

Do you know the difference between discussing an issue and actually having the power to take action to implement a change and then really piss some one off?

Merv, the term "kneejerk" doesnt relate solely to those who have the power to take action to implement a change.

Kneejerk implies - an immediate reaction that does not allow you time to consider something carefully.

Straight off the bat there was talk that councils would ban bikes and only bikes due to this courtcase.

I call that a kneejerk reaction because upon consideration its very unlikely that if council was to implement new laws to curb further lawsuits that they would only be to ban just bikes.

PLease consider post #246 - regarding the 2nd newspaper article.

[Mongoose]

Out of the bounds of this thread - and I am cetainly not judging the cop who was killed - but how many times has anyone aquaplaned here? I never have,and I've driven some real shitters with bald tyres too fast in some heavy rain,I've hit some real deep spots and it felt like it slowed the car down as I went through,but never,ever aquaplane.A cop car would have good tyres I presume - but to aquaplane a cop car off the road at 100kph,I'd a thought it was time to slow down.Ok,I wasn't there,have no idea of what happened,but aquaplaning is a high speed condition,for it to happen at low speed sounds a bit suss.

Yes, have had this happen Motu in an old Nissan Wisetrack, one of the first ones. Must admit it was on *Car Sales* tyres but amussingly enough it was on what is locally referred to as the *Flood Free* Hi Way

[gav]

Great post ! Regarding the original crash by Chris whats his name, how long had he been riding? He crashed on gravel, what 10 days after it had been laid? Had any other motorcycles been through that area and had all of them crashed as well? If not, it seems hard to blame the gravel solely on his demise? I don't know the guy or his back ground but I'm picking Born Again biker? Used to ride 20 years ago now back into bikes? Has he done any recent riding training course? Maybe an advanced course? Ever ridden off road? Bit of gravel on road, panic, crash...... I'm with some of these other guys, poor form blaming some one else for his lack of ability, hell, why not sue Aprilia as the bike wasnt suitable in gravel, or the dealer as the bike was unsuitable for NZ roads?

[merv]

Straight off the bat there was talk that councils would ban bikes and only bikes due to this courtcase.

I call that a kneejerk reaction because upon consideration its very unlikely that if council was to implement new laws to curb further lawsuits that they would only be to ban just bikes.

PLease consider post #246 - regarding the 2nd newspaper article.

I guess the problem is you are newbie and we had already discussed this in depth before you came along back when Chris was first lodging his case. So there is no kneejerking on my part as I have long held that opinion.

It was a discussion about what Councils might do in defence not that they would do for sure.

The second newspaper article is just that, a newspaper article, that was posted by my old mate Bill. The opinion of the writer is just like any opinion being expressed here, its whoever wrote its opinion and no-one elses. If the Council were to take action the same reporter may end up writing about that too, that's the reporter's job. Anything else you still aren't clear on?

[merv]

... hell, why not sue Aprilia as the bike wasnt suitable in gravel, or the dealer as the bike was unsuitable for NZ roads?

Yeah the good old American way again! Like the case where the woman sued McDonalds when she spilt her coffee in her lap and it was hot. Same woman would probably have grizzled if her coffee was cold. Signage never worked in that one, the Maccas containers clearly say "Caution Hot" and have for years.

When I was in the States in '92 a big case hit the news where a woman sued because she had scalded her baby in hot water in the bath. She sued the landlord and the electricity company that supplied the power to heat the water FFS.