P/Methamphetamines

[DMNTD:Me]

So were you or were you not saying that it's OK for some people to use P?

What I'm trying to say is that some people have the will power/inner strength,whatever you chose to call it to partake in occassional use of recreational drugs including P/speed and not rob gas stations,murder/hurt innocents and all that terrible bullshit that is associated with P etc.

Let's get that clear before we move on into a more reasoned discussion as to why so-called "normal" people would want to get off on this shit in the first place, with no quality assurance standards in place regarding its manufacture, and a HUGE weight of reputable medical evidence that will testify that: 1. They are already addicts, and: 2. That P will fuck their brains.

As far as why would "normal" people would chose to partake in recreational drugs...well,that can really only be answered by the individual mate. I chose not to take it...I chose to get off on motorbikes. Both are dangerous and both can affect others in tragic ways too yet more people die from motorcycling that taking P or the results of someone else taking P and affecting other's lives.
Yes NZ has a problem with P abusers and yes it should be seriously addressed ASAP.

[DMNTD:Me]

Evidence? Or is this an assumption? I think those who deal directly at the "coal face", the cops, the Drs. and nurses, the Ambulance drivers, the judges, the rehab treatment centres, the Morticians, etc. would be well placed to comment..

Fact...I know some people exactly like that.
The Cops,nurses etc that you mention see the worst of the worst extreme cases hence their views are not completely clear.

People please don't get me wrong...the bad abusers of P and such drugs are mongrels and should be sorted hard!!

[Hitcher]

And something else that has been bothering me all day is the gap closing between the red and blue lines on this thread's poll. The thought that what it is telling us may be true suggests that it may well be time to load up the guns and head off to a commune of like-minded and well-armed souls in the boondocks somewhere.

[Big Dave]

What I'm trying to say is that some people have the will power/inner strength,whatever you chose to call it to partake in occassional use of recreational drugs including P/speed and not rob gas stations,

.........yet.

Every one that I have known has gone cold turkey or ended in 'tragedy'.

[DMNTD:Me]

.........yet.

I never did...past tense btw!
Abuse of P will lead to serious "negatives" for a lack of a better word.
Occasional use of a small amount does not if ya half human to start with.

[Edbear]

Fact...I know some people exactly like that.
The Cops,nurses etc that you mention see the worst of the worst extreme cases hence their views are not completely clear.

People please don't get me wrong...the bad abusers of P and such drugs are mongrels and should be sorted hard!!

Understand your point, but too often we hear that statement. If you personally know people using such drugs, keep an eye on them and see what they do. Are their lives really so normal?

It's just that every case I hear about, either first or second hand, describes a sure degeneration of the user into dishonesty and paranoia and a slide into isolation and crime. Even if they seem to be "normal" for some time, especially with "P" is the end seemingly inevitable.

While other drugs can and do bring out latent tendencies, it seems "P" is particularly noted for completely changing one's personality. Hence why I can get rolling drunk, (not any more, I don't like the after-effects!), and be completely mellow while someome else may become violent. One cannot compare such hard drugs to alcohol.

Of course alcohol causes huge misery, but that's not the point I'm making here. (Or am I being obtuse...?)

[Hitcher]

Occasional use of a small amount does not if ya half human to start with.

So you're a qualified pharmacological epidemiologist. In that case I bow to your superior knowledge and insight.

[Big Dave]

I never did...past tense btw!
Abuse of P will lead to serious "negatives" for a lack of a better word.
Occasional use of a small amount does not if ya half human to start with.

I never have or will use class 'A' s either.
Partly because of what hitcher says, partly for repsect of my wife and partly because i know what an addictive personality type I have.
All I can offer is that your quote has not been my experience - or rather, the experience of those I have seen fall victim. And they have been big falls from blokes that 'had it under control.'

[DMNTD:Me]

So you're a qualified pharmacological epidemiologist. In that case I bow to your superior knowledge and insight.

Wow nice attitude Hitcher. I know what I know from first hand experience with that particular drug ok. Insight I do have cause I have delt with people that abuse P...I have more than a little knowledge on the subject.
I'm not some guy that is assuming everything I read or hear on the news if 100% correct.
Most people like to know both sides of the story to get a more complete view of what is going on but it appears that you sir are not one of them...that is your choice and you are more than entitled to it.

Understand your point, but too often we hear that statement. If you personally know people using such drugs, keep an eye on them and see what they do. Are their lives really so normal?

It's just that every case I hear about, either first or second hand, describes a sure degeneration of the user into dishonesty and paranoia and a slide into isolation and crime. Even if they seem to be "normal" for some time, especially with "P" is the end seemingly inevitable.

While other drugs can and do bring out latent tendencies, it seems "P" is particularly noted for completely changing one's personality. Hence why I can get rolling drunk, (not any more, I don't like the after-effects!), and be completely mellow while someome else may become violent. One cannot compare such hard drugs to alcohol.

Of course alcohol causes huge misery, but that's not the point I'm making here. (Or am I being obtuse...?)

Yes sir I most certainly do keep a close eye on them and yes they are doing just fine,in saying that they were "good people" to start with
Yes I am aware that to some of you the sounds like a contradiction but there are people of there that partake in illegal substances occasionally that are not involved in any gang or criminal(apart from the drug) activities and have got their lives together otherwise.
Yes I am well aware that some that use P are...almost all that abuse P are involed.

BTW....maybe I should also point out that I helped many(30+) people get off P and will continue to do so in the future

[laf laf]

After reading the posts does anyone have better suggestions for other drug use for Big day out '07?

[Edbear]

After reading the posts does anyone have better suggestions for other drug use for Big day out '07?

May I suggest a fine wine...?

[Hitcher]

Iocane powder should do it for you.

[Ixion]

.........yet.

Every one that I have known has gone cold turkey or ended in 'tragedy'.

I know nothing about such matters, something I am glad of. But logically one would presume that such observations are self fulfilling ? Those who use it and can't handle it will make themselves obvious. Those who use it but can handle it (if any) will probably pass unnoticed. After all people don't go round with a stamp on their foreheads saying "I use P .Can you tell?".

[Colapop]

Baking powder - stay home and make a cake.

[SixPackBack]

Evidence? Or is this an assumption? I think those who deal directly at the "coal face", the cops, the Drs. and nurses, the Ambulance drivers, the judges, the rehab treatment centres, the Morticians, etc. would be well placed to comment..

A mathmatical certainty, given the supposed user base, consumption E.T.C.