what should i do?

**SPman** · 28th May 2003, 18:04

meanwhile...............

Originally posted by andy1
well i was wondering, does anyone know what the main cause for motorcycle accidents is?
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One of them's probably riding bikes with tyres like KK's!

Inattention, Volvos,overconfidence,Vulvos,lack of skills,more fucking Volvos and just plain bad luck, sometimes!

**Kwaka-Kid** · 28th May 2003, 19:52

the trick with my and my bikes on the track is just dont ask questions

its better u think "hmm the bike doesnt look tooo bad.." then me tell you the jobs ive done and all the corners ive cut

: haha, economy vs safety = economy will always win. But nah im going to try and have my RVF400 really perfect aye.. no botch jobs on that baby, maybe just tyres-wise, dunno, they seem the biggest expense, ohh i know, Bluninja how often do you go thru tyres etc? and price etc? as much info as poss dude

cheers!

**Redstar** · 28th May 2003, 21:54

someone accused me of utter bollocks advice?
like if you take it you'll be dead.
true I've never tested the thoery. of sliding as opposed to a full frontal attack on the back of a truck. and no I aint dead either and hell let me check my licence.. oh look 25years of death defying biking. if you read what I said it said if the shit hits the fan. so that assumes all the micro seconds of decision making have elapsed. The speed scrub off is done and the choice is the the metal back end of a 25 tonne immovable object or a slide
you decide then and we will compare notes pearly gate land.

there is hell of a lot of theory but most dead people never get to explain.

**Kwaka-Kid** · 29th May 2003, 04:54

am i sensing some servre hostility in the air here today? pr am i just tired because ive been up for the last hour? -waking up so early kinda sucks

**bluninja** · 29th May 2003, 10:15

Redstar I stand by what I said...utter bollox...that advice. I've been there with a tractor (shouldn't have allowed myself to be in that dangerous place in the first place) and survived, unlike my bike which was trashed. Had I slid, even at the last moment I would still have hit faster than staying on the brakes right to the end (it takes motoGP riders half a second to get their bikes over....think how much speed you can scrub in half a second....and are you really that good that you can get your bike on it's side in under half a second?)....oh and had I slid under, between or in front of the wheels then he would have run me over cos he carried on driving across the road for 10 metres after impact.

So in your 25 years of staying alive you've never tested your theory...why not take advice from somebody that has researched their theory and survived when it had to be put into practice ? If you think I'm still being harsh on the advice well do me a favour; sit down and work out the impact speeds of the various scenarios to see which offers the best chance of impact survival. Then work out how far away from the vehicle you would have to be to get it on it's side in time....then work out if you can acurately measure that distance by sight in all conditions....maximum braking is a simple and effective way of increasing your chances of survival. Who knows you may even stop before you hit....something you wouldn't do if you opted for a slide.

Just offering old wives tales, illogical or unresearched advice is not a good way to improve things. And before you get all your emoticons in a twist remember it is the advice that I'm attacking, not you.

TTFN

**Kwaka-Kid** · 29th May 2003, 16:24

Hard man Hard man...

: hahaha! if it was me id be feeling pretty damn well shot down right about.. Now!

: but then again im only 17 and have alot to learn about advice etc

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**Redstar** · 29th May 2003, 17:34

I,ve given this some thought and hate to admit it cause I like a good debate but the man has a point the whole argument is far to nebulus anyway because its all conditional.

I get the Megarider newsletter and my comment was based an a case history so I wasnt being totally uninformed

speed road conditions visability,options so yep It was twat advise to even offer advise for the risk of misunderstanding of even good advise.

If I can savour some pride from this though Id say you cant really separate critical comment on advise, from critical comment on the giver on the basis of this logic.

I say to my wife "hey babe your fat" but dont take it personally its your fatness I am commenting on not you..

I could have taken initial offence at the utter bollocks comment
more than the logic of your argument? pehaps I think this advice presents some risks might have been more acceptable to me?

I dont mind the utter bollocks approach so long as you dont though?

If you get my point? Im going back to edit out my advise on the basis of your comment and the risk it presents.

Hope we have reached common ground cause im

**Dave** · 29th May 2003, 17:38

We have a politician among us-very smooth

**bluninja** · 29th May 2003, 17:59

Try this formula....

   x = x0 + (v0 * t) - (1/2 * a * t²)

where:

      x = distance traveled (metres)
     x0 = starting distance (metres - or take 0.5 seconds * v0 as your time to react and get the brakes on)
     v0 = initial velocity (metres per second or divide kmh by 3.6)
      t = stopping time     (seconds)
      a = deceleration rate (metres per second per second 1g = 9.81 which you won't get on the road so multiply this by 0.6 to get a better aproximation of 'normal' conditions).

Also since v = a * t you can get an idea of the rate of slowdown for a given braking force...so 0.6g of braking would slow you by 21 kmh each second. Guessing that your skin and leathers slow you at 70% (optomistic) of your bikes braking you would actually hit 6 kmh faster if you dumped 1 second before impact. The higher the actual braking force on your bike the bigger the difference between your impact speed on bike versus sliding down the road.

And for empirical evidence of this effect go and watch a few vids of bikes racing and sliding. The bike slides faster than the rider, and the following riders are able to brake and slow much quicker than either the fallen rider or their bike.

**bluninja** · 29th May 2003, 18:14

Damn....I go off and get the math and it's all gone away

Redstar maybe we can have a good debate about how people identify with their thoughts and well intentioned advice

Yes I could have approached it differently, but in this case I wanted to provoke response to advice that has already crept into motorcycling mythology and accepted wisdom, with people no longer challenging it's source or validity. Especially when the results are potentially fatal.

And yes I have no problems with you referring to my diatribe as utter bollox. If I've not though things through or I'm plainwrong, bring it to my attention. I don't have problems with people disliking, disagreeing, or ignoring my views, advice or thoughts.

BTW if you called me fat, I wouldn't be offended....I went to a hotel the other day and said to the guy behind the desk "Do you mind if I look round?" he replied "You look round to me you fat bugger!"

**Kwaka-Kid** · 29th May 2003, 20:39

i quit skool for a reason, dont make me quit kiwibiker.

hahahhaa! and i passed skool C maths.. and i passed 6th form physics.. but was always told you never really need it in real life... well thats kinda true, but you still need it in the E-World :P you guys and ur blimmin E-Debatse and ur E-Physics and all the rest :P hahaha! ohh it makes me laugh because i am not reading any posts with any math crap in them at all :P sorry simon

**Redstar** · 29th May 2003, 21:15

e=mc2
Politician um, is that good or bad? im sure keen to get us on the bus lanes.

**bluninja** · 30th May 2003, 08:22

If someone called me a politician, I'd be more offended than if they said I was fat

KK so what did you get in english??...at skool

Funnily enough I had to do loads of physics, applied mechanics and thermodynamics stuff to qualify as an engineer. Apparently it's quite useful when you are looking at the potential for tunging and engine too......but most people don't use it cos we all know tuning is a masonic black art

TTFN

**Kwaka-Kid** · 30th May 2003, 16:00

well i the highest score in 6th form was transactional writing with 82%

and then the years average i got a grade 2 or 3, 6 is just a pass (50% if you will)

and pjysics i got a 4. oh and 5th form english, farout that was ages ago, hmm, too hard to think, but i got it, and electronics, and i cant remember other subjects, it gets difficult when u get older to remember skool days. but i do remember in 6th form scoring 2nd highest in MRGS 6th form in both I.T and Business Studies

bahaha, my mother went nutz when i told her i dont need it coz im only going to be a constable all my life :P mahahaha!