Would you change the 250 law?

[mynameis]

From the manufacturers specs, it won't be higher thats for sure!

It wouldn't be higher but bikes can still be modified to output more power irrespective of how much power hence the CC rating law which is the most obvious and logical option. Instead of a much more costly option of weight/power of a bike. Plus we've got a very small bike market in NZ unlike UK or other countries. And the law has to be definite and precise as opposed to " being vague "which is exactly what would happen if they went to HP/Weight system.

mynameis

[Grahameeboy]

HP limit in UK.....used to have CBR900'S restricted to keep within the HP limit......pass your test for next level and just de-restrict..

[jeremysprite]

[QUOTE=mynameis;838757]If you take a sample of 500 CBR 250 RR's and 500 ZXR 250 more than 900 will have less than 40 hp.

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That's fine, but realistically, it's not about numbers, its about how safe that particular bike is in the hands of a 15 yo .I'm not saying these bikes aren't safe, blah blah blah, but that the government tends to err on the side of caution, as 1 Cletis will kill himself at 15 doing 190 into a wall, and then people get sued, government makes laws etc.

[hXc]

From the manufacturers specs, it won't be higher thats for sure!

And how are you sure of that? It's not hard to make a bike put out more hp than the manufacturers say it's got.

[Ixion]

Well, that's not really the point, is it. On the same bsis, one could overbore a 250 now to make it a 300. How many people would bother.

The NSW rule is a sensible on, it's simple and straightforward, anyone can check th elits and see, and it allows learners to ride more "mature" bikes.

[James Deuce]

Here's the list.

God, I WISH I could have had a selection of bikes like this to chose from when I started riding.

http://www.transport.sa.gov.au/educa...safe/index.asp

[McJim]

I think it should be like the UK - 125cc max on a learner and once you pass it's open season on anything you like.....none of these time limits - if you pass the test you're good enough and don't have to wait 6 months.

[James Deuce]

Ahh but it ISN'T 125-open season anymore McJim.

There's a 33hp limit step in between now.

The 125s have to be 12hp or less. Bit flipping dangerous to use as daily transport if you ask me.

[Hitcher]

I like the LAM system used by some Australian states. It just makes so much sense.

[awesker]

I think it should stay as it is, Ive gotten into trouble to many times on my cib and if I where on a bigger capacity I might havent have gotten away with them!

Most of the time I curse the 250cc limit, but when it matters I think its a good way to do it. Also in oz isnt it only a couple of states that allow like 500s and such to learn on? (correct me if Im wrong!)

[jeremysprite]

yup,
Do you mean if you were on a bigger capacity you could have done a runner?
'cos not with the 500's etc that are on the list, they have to be under a certain threshold of power to weight ratio,

[jeremysprite]

just looking at that list, vfr400 is too powerful/light, but rvf400 isn't? Strange.
Cool- post-war 350 singles.

[James Deuce]

just looking at that list, vfr400 is too powerful/light, but rvf400 isn't? Strange.
Cool- post-war 350 singles.

Dead right. NC23-24-30 were more powerful.

[McJim]

Ahh but it ISN'T 125-open season anymore McJim.

There's a 33hp limit step in between now.

The 125s have to be 12hp or less. Bit flipping dangerous to use as daily transport if you ask me.

Hmmm - maybe we're better off with the 250 system here after all.

[xwhatsit]

I think there's a few rules that could be changed for the learners and restricted licence periods; 70kph rule is fucking dangerous, 10pm curfew is a bit bizarre and damned difficult for uni students who often have night-time jobs, but the 250cc rule is reasonable, and if you're going to change it, just make something which has the same intentions but is more accurate. Effectively, with the 250cc rule, you're trying to restrict the power a n00b can have. However we've got LCs and NSRs under that rule. Clearly this is not too smart. I'm quite the fan of 2-strokes, I love that sound; however I wouldn't be too upset if they banned them for learners. An NSR250 is a pretty damned capable sportsbike; I imagine in good hands it could keep up with many 600cc sportsbikes, am I not too far off? And being a 2-stroke it's going to be far less easy to control than a 600cc 4-stroke. How about a 150cc 2-stroke limit or something?

Or the better idea is the one mentioned earlier in the thread, the power limit. This gets to the core of what the 250cc limit is designed to do; restrict power. It also gets around the issue of the big tall fat guys on miniature little sportsbikes; buy a nice big comfy bike and have it restricted in power, then de-restrict it later on.

I still have to put up with this 250cc limit for some time to come, but I think sometimes we just need to stop whingeing and actually knuckle down and learn some skills so we can put them to use when we get bigger bikes later on.