Video claims to make mockery of security chain standards

**Bob** · 30th November 2006, 01:39

There is a video clip on YouTube at the moment, which shows a team making easy work of Thatcham and Sold Secure approved chains (including models from Abus, Datatool and Oxford).

The specification calls for the chains to resist attack by physical means for up to five minutes - some of the chains last for as little as 17 seconds before giving up to the bolt-cropper used.

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Given the ease at which the team appear to attack the chains, if this is the only means you have of securing your bike, time to look at adding additional layers of security.

**Brian d marge** · 30th November 2006, 03:10

I ride an Enfield ,,,safe as Threadneedle st ........

Stephen

**JimO** · 30th November 2006, 05:50

i would happily accept the insurance for mine

**Motu** · 30th November 2006, 07:11

Most chains can be easily cut with bolt cutters,you'd have to have a chain they can't fit in the jaws.You need the anchor plate against the wall and the chain tight on the wall side of the bike so they can't get at it easily.Makes it a real bastard to lock up your bike - but as I don't ride everyday I don't mind spending the extra time,then putting the lawnmowers,rotary hoe and whatever else I can find in front of the bike.Delaying tactics - if they want it they will get it.

**frogfeaturesFZR** · 30th November 2006, 07:56

True, with unlimited time you could break into Fort Knox if you wanted to. All you can do is deterence, make it look like to much trouble.

**NordieBoy** · 30th November 2006, 07:59

Zanx has a real bee in his bonnet about security and the labeling of security products (he also makes and sells the worlds best coffee "Z-Brew" but won't ship it to NZ

).
I like Veg's disclaimer at the end of the vids "take us to court - please" type of thing.

**Dai** · 30th November 2006, 08:01

When I was in the UK my bike was knicked from my back garden. The persons involved took down a brick wall to get the bike out.

I had a very heavy chain and an Abus padlock running through the back wheel and over the seat.

Police told me the thieves used liquid niitrogen and a hammer to shatter the padlock.

Would have taken all of 15 seconds.

Never used a chain since. Only had that bike (VFR750) for a grand total of 3 weeks.

**The Stranger:Me** · 30th November 2006, 08:32

Originally Posted by Bob

There is a video clip on YouTube at the moment, which shows a team making easy work of Thatcham and Sold Secure approved chains (including models from Abus, Datatool and Oxford).

The specification calls for the chains to resist attack by physical means for up to five minutes - some of the chains last for as little as 17 seconds before giving up to the bolt-cropper used.

The video is at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC3hFr8p2ck&eurl=

Given the ease at which the team appear to attack the chains, if this is the only means you have of securing your bike, time to look at adding additional layers of security.

They look like Record bolt cutters with hardened jaws.
I doubt they would have succeeded with anything less i.e. your common garden variety bolt cutters or the Record bolt cutters with standard jaws I doubt would have looked at the chains. Have seen many bolt cutters destroyed even on high grade reinforcing.

That said, these bolt cutters are available to crims too.

Another way to cut case hardened chains is to take a triangle file and cut through the hardening then use a hacksaw or cheap bolt cutters.

I always use 2 lock mechanisms, usually a steel cable (as I have no faith in chains) and an alarm disk lock. A steel cable usually will not cut with a set of bolt cutters, the cable flattens and crushes. That said, very little will survive a 4" battery powered angle grinder.

Someone had a go at the GSXR. They cut the cable with a hacksaw, but they didn't get rid of the disk lock (that one wasn't alarmed). I still have the bike now thanks to the disk lock. I took the cable to a wire rope supplier and they recon it would have taken them a couple of hours to cut the cable by hacksaw.

I work on the principal that these people are inherrently lazy (else they would work for there shit) and hopefully they will find mine more trouble to steal than yours so take that instead.

**Swoop** · 30th November 2006, 08:56

Originally Posted by Dai

Only had that bike (VFR750) for a grand total of 3 weeks.

OUCH! I feel for ya on that one!

As CaN says, steel cable is an absolute bastard to cut through with boltcutters!!!

**WarlockNZ** · 30th November 2006, 10:52

I've got a big ass Oxford chain and Disc lock .. mind you .. i sleep all of 15 feet from the bike anyway ... lol.

If i could get her into my room i bloody well would ..

**marty** · 30th November 2006, 11:10

i've got a 1200mm long set of bolt cutters - an old 'key' from a previous employment. not much they couldn't break. i had the owner of a certain strip club in hamilton claim i had used explosives to break the titanium padlock on his bar - no, just my bolt cutters.....

**TLDV8** · 30th November 2006, 19:31

I seem to remember there was a worldwide replacement program on the old U shaped kryptonite locks because they could be opened using a ball point pen body.

**NordieBoy** · 30th November 2006, 21:00

It was Zanx who publicised that.

**Blind spot** · 1st December 2006, 10:03

shit! some of those chains would have taken half the time to cut if the guy had a helper to stop it falling from the jaws.
Sure reinforces the old saying "a lock only stops an honest thief"