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    Last year (or was it this year?) a young car racer died at Puke after hitting the armco and bouncing back into oncoming cars. It is just as bad for them as well.
    "...New Zealanders, for all their faults, have virtues that are precious: an unwillingness to be intimidated by the new, the formidable, or class systems; trust in situations where there would otherwise be none; compassion for the underdog; a sense of responsibility for people in difficulty; not undertaking to do something without seeing it through - "
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    and part of an email I sent to AMCC.

    << Having raced at Pukekohe a few times over many years and been aware of the dangers I have now made the decision that I will now no longer race there. It is just too dangerous and not worth the risks. In the past I was young and perhaps immaturely unconcerned with the dangers, more recently just keen to be back doing something I love. Now I am not. Myself and a number of other riders would like the AMCC to never hold another race meeting there until the major track safety issues are resolved. Motor racing is a dangerous sport and we all acknowledge that. However Pukekohe is unnecessarily and irresponsibly dangerous, especially for motorbikes.

    Many of us are pleased to hear that Hampton Downs has finally received resource consent and hope that in a couple of years it will be the home track for the AMCC. In the meantime, until either the Pukekohe issues are resolved or Hampton Downs is completed we hope the AMCC will hold its future rounds at the Taupo circuit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dai View Post
    An American bike rider by the name of Cal Rayborn came to this country on a holiday. At the time he held the world motorcycle speed record. He also was one of the top US riders in their events. If I remember rightly he was a contracted rider to Yamaha.

    Cal was persuaded to ride at Pukekohe by the NZ bike fraternity.

    He crashed, I dont know why, on the straight in front of the stands and died there and then.
    He was riding a 2-stroke, it was running methanol fuel. Whoever did the porting broke out the side of a transfer port. It was repaired using Devcon(or similar) but it broke off allowing in air causing the motor to lean out. This is REAL bad on Methanol. It seized and spat him off. He was killed. To this day methanol is still banned from being used in 2-strokes because of this accident. This accident had nothing to do with Pukekohe safety standards. The resulting decision regarding methanol and 2-strokes is probably one of the worst knee-jerk reactions ever by what is now known as MNZ. 2-strokes are made for methanol, sort of like turbo 4-strokes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleve Brown View Post
    Last year (or was it this year?) a young car racer died at Puke after hitting the armco and bouncing back into oncoming cars. It is just as bad for them as well.

    Sure, because that's never happened anywhere else...

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    It's pretty pathetic that they are only opening their eyes with regards to this now. Whilst I only know of two incidents personally, from reading what people say I gather that that corner is very notorious and has claimed many lives and caused much injury.

    At least it's finally going ahead though, I can't fault that. Better late than never.

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    if its so dangerous don't race thier, its your personal decision, its the same with the Isle of Man, its dangerous but you make the decision on your own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scott411 View Post
    if its so dangerous don't race thier, its your personal decision, its the same with the Isle of Man, its dangerous but you make the decision on your own.
    Which I have done. However IOM is a one off. Puke is part of the AMCC rounds and the Nationals. You are compelled to do them if you are serious about points. THAT is the difference and the reason why it is more than just choosing not to race there. Many can't make that choice.
    "...New Zealanders, for all their faults, have virtues that are precious: an unwillingness to be intimidated by the new, the formidable, or class systems; trust in situations where there would otherwise be none; compassion for the underdog; a sense of responsibility for people in difficulty; not undertaking to do something without seeing it through - "
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleve View Post
    Which I have done. However IOM is a one off. Puke is part of the AMCC rounds and the Nationals. You are compelled to do them if you are serious about points. THAT is the difference and the reason why it is more than just choosing not to race there. Many can't make that choice.
    That is the exact apprenhension I have about racing there. I think I will be racing there in March and I'll just have to suck it in and block the armco out of my mind.

    Has anyone heard any news on whats happening? Or is it just going to remain at status quo?

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    unfortunately , people only take action when disasters have already ocurred,
    it will probably be a few more incidents before "they finally close the track.. after all "they" are not directly affected.
    i for one will not step foot on puke track anymore, too many people have suffered unnecessarily too many times.
    nuff said"

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    Quote Originally Posted by scott411 View Post
    if its so dangerous don't race thier, its your personal decision, its the same with the Isle of Man, its dangerous but you make the decision on your own.
    Well said Scott.

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    Why do they need to close the track? Why don't you stop riding on it??

    Take responsibility for your own actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justsomeguy View Post
    Well said Scott.

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    Why do they need to close the track? Why don't you stop riding on it??

    Take responsibility for your own actions.
    Mate, read the thread. Exactly what Cleve said. For some people you don't have total control over whether or not you race there.

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    Dumb comments like "well you don't have to race there..." just annoy me. It is wimps comment. It is not like we are spoilt for choice with dozens of great race tracks to race at. I want to race at a track like Puke but without having to hit a wall at 180k's plus because there is no run off. Again, I WANT to race at Puke, it is a fast and thrilling track. But it is IRRESPONSIBLY and UNNECESSARILY dangerous.
    "...New Zealanders, for all their faults, have virtues that are precious: an unwillingness to be intimidated by the new, the formidable, or class systems; trust in situations where there would otherwise be none; compassion for the underdog; a sense of responsibility for people in difficulty; not undertaking to do something without seeing it through - "
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleve View Post
    Dumb comments like "well you don't have to race there..." just annoy me. It is wimps comment. It is not like we are spoilt for choice with dozens of great race tracks to race at. I want to race at a track like Puke but without having to hit a wall at 180k's plus because there is no run off. Again, I WANT to race at Puke, it is a fast and thrilling track. But it is IRRESPONSIBLY and UNNECESSARILY dangerous.
    I find in life often you need to pick your battles, some things are worth the effort, others just a waste of life.

    Hampton Down's is supposed to be a figment of reality and Taupo is just two and a half hours away.

    Personally I just hold it steady over that rise and keep it at a steady 180.

    Maybe one day when I reach your level of skill and life experience I'll understand how you feel.

    Have a good night,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun View Post
    Don't ask me how I know or who I have spoken to but, I can gaurantee that our mate Paul has done all of us a massive favour!

    It is sad and injust for it to be at Paul's exspence, but some times it takes a Horse to bolt before the gate is shut, as the death of my father prooved to me many moons ago.

    The AMCC are acting very seriously about the safety of the race track and so is our own road race commisioner and MNZ.

    So to all of Paul's freinds and supporters out there, rest assured, things are being done to help prevent this kind of a catastrophie from happening again.
    What happened??

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