OK - wat the f@ck is going on??

[MSTRS:Me]

Oh FFS...this is turning into a farce!!! WTF happened this time?

[Blackbird]

Oh FFS...this is turning into a farce!!! WTF happened this time?

Dunno, I was in the middle of responding to a very good post by Terbang and when I went to post it, it said that I didn't have rights. The moderators are a bit silent on this one!

[Pumba]

Good im glad im not the only one it happened to then. All I was trying to do was catch up on all the stuff I missed before it was pulled the first time

[MSTRS:Me]

Dunno, I was in the middle of responding to a very good post by Terbang and when I went to post it, it said that I didn't have rights. The moderators are a bit silent on this one!

It IS/WAS ?? a very good post. And mine after it weren't too shabby either (even if I say it myself). F'ken ridiculous pulling it again. It's not a remembrance thread nor is it a blame thread. People want to know what happened and what can each of us avoid doing/change what we have been doing, so that it never happens again.
Would we want our 3 friend's deaths to be pointless?

[The Stranger:Me]

I would be frustrated if I made contributions and they were nuked.
But if it was up to me I would leave it deleted.
There are some things that are better said privately. This was many of them.

I'm with Big Dave and with the families of the deceased on this.

[SPman]

I tend to go with the aviation side of things here - things are better talked about in the open, with no bullshit, to clear the air, hopefully learn and move on.
No blame, finger pointing, gory details, etc - just try and point some people in a better direction until next time.

Yes - it was pulled again, for a reason I think is, or should not be relevant!

[dawnrazor]

4,500+ views that thread had.......can't take that away

[mstriumph]

OK -
the thread in question contained posts of varying kinds - some of which were extremely thoughtful, contemplative and helpful and some of which were ...well .... of the pointless and drivelly variety

Granted some posts could/ indeed have upset some people - and that's heartless and unkind; But some have given others, myself included, a much-needed 'wake up' call that could possibly drastically change our way of thinking and keep us alive

accidental dying is a horrible, hurtful, stupid waste ...... the only tiny redeeming feature of it being that others may learn from it and avoid doing likewise - i think i'm trying to say that some family and friends may actually be glad that some potential good might have come out of the thread in question

so how about a compromise here? to avoid chucking the baby out with the bathwater?

couldn't some thoughtful moderator go through the thread and delete the pointlessly drivelly bits ......... then re-instate the thread with the warning that any further such posts will be automatically deleted from the thread without further notice?

Goes without saying discuss it with the person who complained first - she may not have seen past the drivel to some of the useful things happening in the thread - not suprising considering - foul & awful position she's in.

[Paul in NZ]

Honesty with all its attendant hurts is not worth much in the modern age.

I suppose it's better we put it all behind us and just pretend it never happened so that we can pretend to be shocked and sad the next time and if we are lucky - it probably won't be someone we don't know.

I feel old and tired out by this so I'm giving up on it before I say what I feel and offend anyone.

[Joni]

I'm giving up on it before I say what I feel and offend anyone.

Thats exaclty how I feel.... however I think you and I both know we are coming from slightly different places.

Oh and edit: For the people questioning the double pulling of the thread, just take it that there are a few things you are not aware of...

[Paul in NZ]

Thats exaclty how I feel.... however I think you and I both know we are coming from slightly different places.

Oh and edit: For the people questioning the double pulling of the thread, just take it that there are a few things you are not aware of...

Joni - I trust your taste 100% and for me the matter is closed - I've run out of puff anyway. More than that, I wish no more grief on your head.

AND - For the record - it has been my experience in life that there is ALWAYS a lot of stuff going on I'm not aware of... Thankfully....

[mstriumph]

your call, Joni
..
baby
bathwater

[Quasievil]

Oh and edit: For the people questioning the double pulling of the thread, just take it that there are a few things you are not aware of...

I think Im aware of what it is you are refering to and if Im right (im sure I am) I cannot see one bit of difference that the thread in question would make, its all in the police reports and will come out towards interested parties, very shortly.
Taking away that thread is taking away KB members opportunity to discuss / learn and greive as a community that was directly involved.

[dawnrazor]

OK -
the thread in question contained posts of varying kinds - some of which were extremely thoughtful, contemplative and helpful and some of which were ...well .... of the pointless and drivelly variety

Granted some posts could/ indeed have upset some people - and that's heartless and unkind; But some have given others, myself included, a much-needed 'wake up' call that could possibly drastically change our way of thinking and keep us alive

accidental dying is a horrible, hurtful, stupid waste ...... the only tiny redeeming feature of it being that others may learn from it and avoid doing likewise - i think i'm trying to say that some family and friends may actually be glad that some potential good might have come out of the thread in question

so how about a compromise here? to avoid chucking the baby out with the bathwater?

couldn't some thoughtful moderator go through the thread and delete the pointlessly drivelly bits ......... then re-instate the thread with the warning that any further such posts will be automatically deleted from the thread without further notice?

Goes without saying discuss it with the person who complained first - she may not have seen past the drivel to some of the useful things happening in the thread - not suprising considering - foul & awful position she's in.

With respect to the several posts I made in that thread.....I put alot of thought, effort and hopefully intelligence into them (not my usual style - but I am a paradox wrapped in an enigma me). From the amount of green rep I got for them, alot of other folk thought so as well it would appear....I do agree with the editorial of the relevent parts (as I'd suspect what Joni is referring to, of events in the background that we are not aware of, is possibly of a legal nature??? just a guess).

Whats going to happen now.....this thread will be pulled because its referring to that thread? Are we allowed to mention anything about the events of the last 10 days at all?

I accussed the Mods of sending out mixed messages earlier about their reactions to the 'reflect' thread, I was told they are all inividuals and not 'borg' (who ever he is ). But that wasn't my point...I just expected a united front (be it for whatever reason), the fact you all see this differently compounds the debate......surely the Mods are there to guide as well as censor?

anyway, thats all I guess - as someone said earlier there is no whispering on a forum like this.....

[Joni]

Huh... the borg... from Star Trek... (the borg, short for cyborg) working off one data base with no individual thoughts, just the collective....

OK sci-fi lesson over